A.A. co-founder’s new thought “christ” and talking to the dead

“[A.A. co-founder Dr. Bob Smith] felt that in far distant centuries, the science of the mind would be so developed as to make possible contact between the living and the dead.” –Dr. Bob Smith’s son, “Smitty,” quoted in the official Alcoholics Anonymous biography of his father. [1]

“Do not seek out mediums and spiritists; do not seek out and be defiled by them. I am the Lord your God.” (Leviticus 19:31)

How could Dr. Bob Smith, so clearly familiar with biblical prohibitions against communicating with the dead, have been so enthusiastic about spiritualistic activities? The answer is fairly simple: Dr. Bob was not a blood bought Christian. The “Christ” he followed was the heretical New Thought “Christ” of Emmet Fox and others. Read: How Heretics Shaped Alcoholics Anonymous

The opening quote from Dr. Bob’s son appears to be a reference to Ernest Shurtleff Holmes’, The Science of Mind. Even today, Holmes’ Science of Mind philosophy wields influence. In his New Thought book, The Science of Mind, Holmes writes:

“There are thousands of cases on record where people have penetrated the veil of flesh and seen into the beyond. If we cannot believe the experience of so many, how can we believe in any experience at all? Of course, there is a large field for deception, and it is not probable that all communications are real; but, to state positively that they are all illusions, is to throw the lie into the face of human thought and say that is never sees clearly.” (continue reading article)

“[It] might be said for the cofounders at least, A.A. was entangled with spiritualism from the very beginning,” observed an author who is also an A.A. member. [2]

1. DR. BOB and the Good Oldtimers, pg. 311. [Dr. Bob's official A.A. biography]
2. Matthew J. Raphael, Bill W. and Mr. Wilson, pg. 159

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Leonard Sweet and Mark Chironna: A Quantum Connection

“This panentheistic God ‘in’ everything teaching by Leonard Sweet is the foundational teaching of the New Age/New Spirituality.” –Warren B. Smith, A Wonderful Deception, pg. 114

In the article, Mark Chironna’s New Age/Quantum Mysticism at Bethel Redding Conference, we examined the “quantum” teachings Mark Chironna shared at the (Bill Johnson/Bethel Redding) Piercing The Darkness Conference. Read

In 2012, Bethel Church of Redding leaders Bill and Beni Johnson were contributors to The Physics of Heaven, a book with shocking New Age/Quantum Mysticism implications. According to co-author Ellyn Davis:

[The contributors of the book] all agree that the next move of God will cause a shift at the deepest level of who we are—perhaps the very “vibrational level” that the New Age movement has been exploring. They also all agree that there are precious truths hidden in the New Age that belong to us as Christians and need to be extracted from the worthless.” [1]

So it is not surprising that Bill Johnson allowed Mark Chironna to teach his new age/quantum mysticism, since this seems to be the direction he is also headed.

Interestingly, Mark Chironna has had a long association with Len Sweet, a man who has done much to bring quantum concepts into the church. [2] A reader recently informed me of this relationship, and sent me the above video above where Chironna talks about Sweet joining him at a conference.**

She also sent me the link to a book written by Mark Chironna with the Foreword by Len Sweet: Here

What does all this mean? Mark Chironna has most certainly shared his quantum gospel with others in Word of Faith circles, and within the visible church. Len Sweet’s book, Quantum Spirituality, continues to exert influence two decades after it was published.

God is not in everything and everybody. Mankind is not in God, nor is mankind a part of God. Quantum spirituality is drawing many toward an Eastern/New Age understanding, and it is very important to know what the Bible says about “God’s Relationship To Everything.” Read

1. Ellyn Davis, The Physics of Heaven, Kindle location: 447.
2. Warren B. Smith, A Wonderful Deception, pg. 106, 114, and many other places in this book.

**Thank you, Roxanne!

Mark Chironna’s New Age/Quantum Mysticism at Bethel Redding Conference

“Will faith in God’s Word become a thing of the past as ‘science’ replaces faith? A growing number of church figures have directly or indirectly introduced quantum physics with its New Age implications into their teachings and writings.” –Warren B. Smith, Another Jesus Calling, pg. 103

In 2012 the book, The Physics of Heaven, was released. Shocking in its enthusiasm for quantum physics/quantum mysticism, and in its lack of discernment about New Age practices, the book has the approval and participation of Bethel Church of Redding’s movers and shakers. Bethel leader Bill Johnson contributed a chapter to the book, as did his wife, Beni Johnson. The Physics of Heaven is co-authored by Judy Franklin, Bill Johnson’s personal assistant. The foreword is written by Kris Vallotton, Senior Associate Leader at Bethel.

As disturbing as The Physics of Heaven is, at least the book serves as a warning that Bill Johnson and Bethel (and others) are heading toward a New Age/quantum mysticism understanding of God. [1]

Before we get to Mark Chironna and the quantum heresy he spewed out during a Bethel conference–with the full approval of Bill Johnson–let us briefly define terms.

The New Age: What does the New Age believe? According to Ray Yungen, “Everything that exists, seen or unseen, is made up of energy—tiny particles of vibrating energy, atoms, molecules, protons, etc. All is energy. That energy, they believe, is God, and therefore, all is God. They believe that since we are all part of this ‘God-energy,’ then we, too, are God. God is not seen as a Being that dwells in heaven, but as the universe itself.” [2]

Quantum spirituality or quantum mysticism: This is a spiritual interpretation of quantum physics. It is favored by the New Age because it seems to demonstrate that everything is interconnected at an unseen, sub-atomic level. Thus, New Agers use it as “proof” we are all One.

All is One? Everything is connected?

Warren B. Smith notes the New Age “is already heralding quantum physics as a ‘scientific’ basis that God is not only transcendent but also immanent–‘in’ everyone and everything.” [3]

But God is not “in” everyone. Mankind is not One with God. We know this from the Scriptures.

However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. (Romans 8:9)

The only people with God in them are those who know the biblical Christ as Lord and Savior–those who have been born again. In terms of the universe, earth, and nature, God is as separate from His creation as He is from unredeemed mankind. To research this theological battleground further, click here.

Through The Physics of Heaven, and the quantum teaching of Mark Chironna at the Bethel conference, Bill Johnson has furthered the assault on the biblical understanding of God.

The teaching given by Mark Chironna at Bethel Church in Redding California during the 2012 Piercing The Darkness Prophetic Conference was titled, “If it wants to happen, it needs to be spoken.” Chironna promoted quantum principles not only as proof that we are all connected, but also to further his speak-it-into-existence Word of Faith heresy.

At one point Chironna states, “How did that water turn into wine? Jesus talked it into existence.” Does the Bible state this? No.

You can hear the whole thing right here: Fighting For The Faith Start listening in the second hour of the show, at approximately 63 minutes and 15 seconds. Host Chris Rosebrough offered much correction, acknowledging that it was like herding heretical cats–so much heresy scattering in all directions.

Apparently relying on the scholarship of a now deceased Anglican, Chironna made a number of references to the New Age, telling his audience Christians were the only ones who could truly call themselves New Agers. (70 minute mark to 70 minutes and 45 seconds)

According to Chironna:

[Jesus seemingly says] “New Age of the Spirit.” (86 minutes 47 seconds)

The woman at the well “has received an impartation which has put her into the New Age.” (85 minutes 34 seconds)

Why all these New Age references? This is a demonic desensitization, pure and simple. Bethel is being prepared for quantum mysticism and New Age practices. This is not ultimately about Chironna, but the forces in Ephesians 6:12.

That being said, consider how New Age-esque Chironna continues to sound here:

98:55: “This leap into the Age of the Spirit is marked by a few things. …It’s marked by a shift in our interior identity. Something changes inside us about the way we perceive ourselves. …When you change the way you perceive yourself, you change. And when you change the world is for grabs and the future is now about what wants to emerge that’s been waiting for the shift to take place in me.”

Chironna then begins his introduction of quantum mysticism:

99:55: And this leap is not just marked by a shift in our interior identity, it’s also marked by an awareness that everything in creation is connected. Everything is connected. Say everything is connected.” [Audience dutifully repeats] (emphasis mine)

100:15: “And it’s connected at deep interpenetrating levels, at a sub-atomic dimension. Our problem is we walk in the illusion of separation. But we are not separate. We are connected. When Paul says we are all one body in Christ in Galatians 4, literally in the Greek it’s we’re all one person.” (emphasis mine)

101 minutes and three seconds: Chironna then uses a talk given by a British quantum physicist as proof that everything in the universe is connected. The scientist apparently rubbed a diamond and stated that this friction at a sub-atomic level this was affecting the molecular movement of the farthest known star, five billion light years away. Why? Because everything is interconnected…

And then, horribly, Chironna explains that Jesus could heal people from a distance because of quantum principles! (Luke 7:1-10, Matthew 8:5-10, John 4:46-54) He seems perhaps to have combined two healings, but most of us are familiar with the story of the faithful centurion.

102 minutes and 40 seconds: “So when Jesus says I’ll go with you to heal your son and the centurion servant says you don’t have to go. You can stand right where you are. I’m a man under authority. I understand authority. You don’t have to come into my house. All you need to do is stand right here and influence things at a distance because everything’s connected in your world in a way I understand in mine. Just speak the word and it’ll take place because it’s all connected.” (emphasis mine)

Chironna has just reduced the centurion’s faith and Christ’s power down to their supposedly common understanding of manipulating quantum spiritual principles.

103 minutes and 19 seconds: “There’s a shift in our interior identity, there’s gotta be a fundamental shift to where we stop seeing everything as separated and disconnected and start operating in the awareness everything is connected. Everything is connected. You start acting as if you’re already connected in your future and stuff will start lining up in a way you never expected it to before.”

2 hours 5 minutes and 10 seconds: “That’s why it’s so important to soak.” (Soaking is a form of anti-biblical meditation).

Remember the story about Elijah praying for rain? Elijah sent his servant to look out at the sea, to see if clouds had appeared.

He said to his servant, “Go up now, look toward the sea.” So he went up and looked and said, “There is nothing.” And he said, “Go back” seven times. (1 Kings 18:43)

Blasphemously, Mark Chironna gives Elijah a quantum response, with a rebuke to the servant for reporting that nothing has appeared. At 2 hours, 21 minutes, 17 seconds Chironna dares to say:

“Elijah says, ‘You dummy! In the quantum physical world they have proven there is no such thing as nothing. Because the observer is influencing the observed and creation is moving in response to what I’m intending to bring about.'”

2 hours,26 minutes: “”God didn’t make it rain.”

Near the end of his blasphemous message, Chironna tells his listeners, “If something is shifting inside you you’ve already heard from heaven. You already know what wants to emerge. And if it wants to happen you need to speak it into existence.” (2 hours, 29 minutes, 45 seconds) (emphasis mine)

But following these teachings will not result in hearing from heaven, but from hell.

Nor has Bill Johnson bothered to correct this blasphemy. Chironna’s conference teaching is still for sale at the Bethel Redding store. https://shop.ibethel.org/products/piercing-the-darkness-february-2012-complete-set (scroll down to Session 7)

Can two walk together except they be agreed? (Amos 3:3)

End Part One

Samuel said

Samuel said,
“Has the LORD as much delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices
As in obeying the voice of the LORD?
Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice,
And to heed than the fat of rams. (1 Samuel 15:22)

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Penn State removes Bibles from hotel rooms after atheists say they encourage ‘killing nonbelievers,’ gays

Originally posted on True Discernment:

from Campus Reform:

Penn State has removed Gideon Bibles from hotel rooms after a complaint from the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) accused the Bibles of advocating the killings of nonbelievers.

“The bible [sic] calls for killing nonbelievers, apostates, gays, ‘stubborn sons,’ and women who are not virgins on their wedding nights,” FFRF Co-President Annie Laurie Gaylor said in a statement last week. “What is obnoxious in a private hotel, however, becomes inappropriate and unconstitutional in state-run lodgings.”

A spokesperson from the university has confirmed toCampus Reform that the Bibles have been removed from individual guest rooms following an inquiry from FFRF earlier in the summer.

“The decision to remove Bibles from individual guest rooms was made following questions from the Freedom From Religion Foundation,” Lisa Powers, director of strategic communications at Penn State told Campus Reform in an email. “It raised our awareness and we took the opportunity…

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Bluegrass gospel tunes by Ralph Stanley

“I’ll tell you the best thing I ever did do, I laid off the old coat and put on the new.” (Two Coats by Ralph Stanley)

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Warning Christians about A.A. at upcoming church service

“Have you ever noticed how a church that uses A.A. is never quite the same again?” — Laura the missionary, 2008

But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed! (Galatians 1:8-9)

We are grateful to have been invited to speak at a church service in Nevada about A.A. To be more specific, we will be sharing (biblically) why Christians should have nothing to do with Alcoholics Anonymous, at least in terms of participation. We will go over the anti-biblical beginnings and formation of the 12 Step program, correct the mythological/nonexistent “Christian” origin of A.A. claimed by author Dick B. and others, and take a look at success rates and alternatives, disease vs. sin, and much else.

There are many of us now who know A.A. is hostile to Christ. It is not for us. May the Truth continue to reach His people.

Thank you Pastor John, for this opportunity.

More information about this in a few days.

“The Prosperity Priestess and the pied piper of IHOP” by Marsha West

Joyce Meyer is scheduled to speak at IHOP-KC’s Onething Conference in December. Marsha West examines this Mike Bickle/Joyce Meyer “team-up” and the implications thereof.

You can read the entire Marsha West article by linking HERE

Spurgeon on Alcoholics Anonymous

“Numbers of our good brethren remain in fellowship with those who are undermining the Gospel, and they talk of their conduct as if it were a loving course which the Lord will approve in the day of His appearing. We cannot understand them. The bounden duty of a true believer towards men who profess to reject the fundamentals of the Gospel, is to come out from among them. Complicity with error will take from the best of men the power to enter any successful protest against. When will Christians learn that separation from evil is not only our privilege, but our duty?”

Dr. C.H. Spurgeon

HT: Brian, http://megas-houtos-agape.blogspot.com/


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