International House of Prayer Gobble Fest Leftovers

I know. You went way overboard at the Gobble Fest.

But that was yesterday.

Try the sandwich. Soup is good, too.

Early Mike Bickle and more  — “The core team of Mike Bickle, Bob Jones, John Paul Jackson, Rick Joyner, and Paul Cain became the primary prophetic celebrities.”

Francis Chan again speaking at IHOP-KC Onething conference??

IHOP-KC’s Mike Bickle on fake and “genuine” manifestations of the Holy Spirit

IHOP Openly Promotes Contemplative Prayer, Visualization 

International House of Prayer Gobble Fest

Try the turkey.

 Catholic Church participating in IHOP-KC Onething 2015 convention

IHOP-KC’s Mike Bickle–powerful evangelist for contemplative prayer

Like Priscilla Shirer, IHOP-KC has taught people to imagine themselves as characters in Bible stories

Generic and Specific by Sandy Simpson

Generic and Specific: Two reasons why the Bible translation societies, putting the names of supreme beings in Bible translations, is unbiblical by Sandy Simpson

Think we’ve got it bad with all the places The Message “Bible” is being used? A battle is being fought over the Bible translations being used in other countries. Sandy Simpson and others believe translating the Bible should be placed back in the hands of the missionaries.

Resources: Deception in the Church  *  Genesis 16 Ministries       Is “Isa” Jesus?

Blasphemizing the Bible

Like Priscilla Shirer, IHOP-KC has taught people to imagine themselves as the characters in Bible stories

There is a lot of information about IHOP-KC in this 90 second video.

Some time ago it was noted that in Priscilla Shirer’s book, Discerning the Voice of God: How to Recognize When God Speaks, Shirer writes,

“As I meditate upon a verse, I will often insert my name or a personal pronoun into it to make it more personal. If I’m reading and meditating on a Bible story, I will become the main character so that it’s not merely someone else’s experience with God, but my own. I often ask myself what God would have me do as a result of what I contemplated.” (p. 39) (bold mine) LINK

What you contemplated?

So, it would not be Moses, but Priscilla and the Burning Bush? (Exodus 3:2-4)

Not Elisabeth, but Priscilla, Mother of John the Baptist? (Luke 1:13)

Not Eve, but Priscilla, wife of Adam? (Genesis 2)

Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. (Proverbs 30:5-6)

This unholy practice is an aspect of Ignatian spirituality. It is probable Shirer got this from contemplative teacher Jan Johnson. A practitioner of guided meditations, Johnson has a background in Ignatian spirituality. Link to article–source notes at end of article

Ignatius, a contemplative, was founder of the Jesuits, and a fierce warrior for the counter-Reformation.

It is baffling how anyone could dare to “become” Moses, John the Baptist, Martha, or any other significant Bible figure. Where is the Fear of the Lord?

Yet IHOP-KC has taught the same thing. (31 seconds in video) Given IHOP-KC’s obsession and promotion of numerous Catholic contemplatives, this should not be surprising. Please note also the information about how IHOP-KC people are instructed to seek visions. (45 seconds)  The video also covers IHOP-KC’s errant end-times teaching.

This is produced by When We Understand The Scriptures. There are many of these 90 second videos on this site. Link

More  IHOP-KC News: Catholic Church participating in IHOP-KC Onething 2015 convention


HT:  The Watchman’s Bagpipipes

Out of the ecumenical closet: IHOP-KC offers Catholic Track for Onething 2015

The recent article, IHOP-KC’s Mike Bickle–powerful evangelist for contemplative prayer, ends with, “The IHOP-KC organization is on track to serve as one of the primary fusion points between Catholic, contemplative, and New Apostolic Reformation spirituality.”

I have just learned that there will be a Catholic Track for IHOP-KC’s Onething 2015 convention. In other words, Catholicism will now be represented at Onething. This was first attempted in 2012, but thankfully did not come to pass.

During that time in 2012, Mike Bickle was interviewed by a member of the Public Relations Office of a Catholic University. According to the press release:

“The International House of Prayer (IHOP) was founded in 1999 by Mike Bickle, who says that many IHOP teachings draw upon the works of St. John of the Cross and Teresa of Avila, as well as contemporary Catholics including Father Henri Nouwen and Father Thomas Dubay, SM.” [1] (bold mine)

John of the Cross, Teresa of Avila, Henri Nouwen and Father Dubay? A contemplative-palooza.

The public relations piece also stated:

“The IHOP 24 hour prayer room, he says, was inspired by the spiritual practices of Catholic European monks, such as St. Bernard of Clairvaux. ‘I’ve always had a passion for Catholic-Christian unity, and enthusiastically welcome this years Catholic track,’ says Bickle. ‘We may have different religious traditions, but we focus on fellowship, and unity and Jesus being glorified in prayer, worship, and teaching.’” [2] (bold mine)

It’s true that Catholics are our friends, neighbors, fellow citizens, and even family members. But is Catholic teaching on salvation compatible with the Truth of the Bible?

Absolutely not.

How many young IHOP-KC people are going to accept that Catholicism is a valid biblical denomination because Bickle has allowed this? Not trying to be insulting here, but Mike Bickle has had his theology addled through decades of contemplative prayer.  This unholy but widespread practice has altered or dictated the spirituality of many. Consequently he will continue to err in his teachings, and will continue to (unintentionally) confuse or mislead others.

For those who need to know more about Catholicism, here is a helpful resource from Deception in the Church: Read 

Here, from a Catholic website, is information about the IHOP-KC Onething 2015 Catholic Track: Read and watch video

IHOP-KC has always been problematic. This is one more example of the separation that is occurring between the remnant and the visible, increasingly ecumenical, church.


Source Notes:

1. From the Office of Public Relations, Franciscan University of Steubenville (11/9/12?) (This has been removed from the internet)

2. Ibid.

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IHOP-KC’s Mike Bickle–powerful evangelist for contemplative prayer

According to International House of Prayer founder Mike Bickle, “God is calling everyone. Everyone in the Body of Christ is called to live in the contemplative lifestyle—everyone.’” [1]

Is Bickle’s promotion of contemplative prayer a problem? Very much so.

Ray Yungen, author of A Time of Departing, warns, “Contemplative prayer is presenting a way to God identical with all the world’s mystical traditions. Christians are haplessly lulled into it by the emphasis on seeking the Kingdom of God and greater piety, yet the apostle Paul described the church’s end-times apostasy in the context of a mystical seduction. If this practice doesn’t fit that description, I don’t know what does.” [2]

Contemplative prayer is essentially the same thing as New Age or Eastern meditation, but is dressed up with Christian language and terminology. Rather than chanting a mantra like “Ommm,” the Christian contemplative may repeat a  Christian word like “Jesus,” or a verse from the Bible. Yet, as Yungen and others have warned, the result is the same, meaning contemplatives also end up in the silence (as it is called), where much deception can take place.

It is likely that centuries ago Catholic monks borrowed these meditative techniques from the East, and simply adapted them to Catholicism.

One of the potential consequences of practicing contemplative prayer, fittingly enough, seems to be an inability to distinguish the vast difference between Catholic understanding of salvation and the truth of the Bible.  This may well be what has happened to contemplatives Rick Warren, Beth Moore, and yes, Mike Bickle.

A book being offered for sale through IHOP-KC’s Forerunner Bookstore  is Fire Within, written by a Catholic priest, Father Thomas Dubay. IHOP-KC founder Mike Bickle states, “I want this book to be the manual for IHOP-KC.” [3] (bold mine)

That is high praise indeed. The full title of the book is Fire Within: St. Teresa of Avila, St. John of the Cross, and the Gospel–On Prayer. Bickle’s “manual” is about Catholic, contemplative mystics!

Catholic author Ralph Martin’s contemplative book, The Fulfillment of all Desire, received glowing recommendations from five different Catholic priests. Martin received a sixth recommendation as well–from Mike Bickle.

According to Bickle, “Ralph Martin has written an excellent book that gathers together the wisdom of Bernard of Clairvaux, Teresa of Avila and others as well who have left us with a great store of wisdom about how we can cooperate with the transforming work of the Spirit. Without watering down the depth of these writers Ralph has made their teachings understandable and accessible and given us a true ‘guidebook’ for the journey to God. Men and women in all parts of the Body of Christ will find this book both inspiring and practically useful. A great help for our life of prayer.” [3]

Teresa of Avila is idolized by contemplatives. But as Carolyn Greene, author of Castles in the Sand, noted in an interview, Teresa’s contemplative experiences “were obviously demonic in nature.” [4]

Regrettably, Francis Chan and Southern Baptist Convention President Ronnie Floyd are scheduled to speak at IHOP-KC’s Onething convention in December 2015.  This will be a huge public relations and recruitment victory for Mike Bickle.

Let’s close with this thought: The IHOP-KC organization is on track to serve as one of the primary fusion points between Catholic, contemplative, and New Apostolic Reformation spirituality.

But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, (1 Timothy 4:1)

Latest Update: Uh-oh. IHOP-KC’s Catholic Track at Onething 2015

Source Notes:

  1. Excerpted from: Mike Bickle, Passionate Pursuit Conference, Session 1 Contemplative Prayer: Journey into Fullness, Transcript: 07/19/01 Page 11 (Full transcript at DiscernIt, click here)
  2. Ray Yungen, A Time of Departing, p. 140 (Link to book)
  3. Ralph Martin, The Fulfillment of all Desire: A Guidebook for the Journey to God based on the Wisdom of the Saints, Endorsements (Scroll down)
  4. Castles in the Sand author interviewed about contemplative mystic, Teresa of Avila

“Beth Moore’s strangely disappearing tweet: a discernment lesson” by Elizabeth Prata

Beth Moore’s strangely disappearing tweet: a discernment lesson

In interesting little incident happened on Beth Moore’s twitter stream yesterday. Mrs Moore wrote:

Even some of her followers were puzzled by Moore’s inadvertent unbiblical admission.

I tweeted the following:

A few other people made mention of Moore’ puzzling admission too. And then the usual happened. Usual for these apostate days:

Beth Moore’s tweet went POOF.

There are a few discernment things to understand here. First, on the literal side of things, Beth Moore’s tweet demonstrates two simple biblical failures. click here to read the rest of Elizabeth Prata’s article

Letter: Our Church, Our Children, and the “Sinner’s Prayer” by A. Spreeman

Amy Spreeman with another interesting article. She writes:

Is the sinner’s prayer Biblical? Many of us have been instructed at some point in our lives to, “repeat after me, eyes closed and no one looking at others.”

The truth of the matter is that it is biblical to  pray to Jesus to ask Him to forgive us our sins. But without true repentance, there can be no regeneration. That’s why it is not biblical to say someone is saved “because of reciting the Sinner’s Prayer.” We must put our trust, hope, and faith in Christ and His sacrifice on the cross, but to give someone assurance of salvation based on reciting a prayer, or thinking the words in our heads as someone else says them, does not produce saving faith.

Screen Shot 2015-11-20 at 8.24.34 AMI recently received a letter from a mom who gets it click here to continue reading Berean Research article

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Dynamic of U.S. presidential campaign changing in light of ISIS attacks in Paris & pursuit of chemical weapons. Here’s why.

Originally posted on Joel C. Rosenberg's Blog:

ISIS-chemweapons-headlinesThirdTarget-FirstHostage(Des Moines, Iowa) — The barbaric attacks in Paris by jihadists loyal to the Islamic State could the dynamic in the presidential campaign in a profound way.

So could the news — just breaking in the last 24 hours — that the Islamic State is actively pursuing the production of chemical weapons to advance their genocidal aims.

So could the seizure of a hotel in Mali by al-Qaeda jihadists. And new ISIS threats to attack Washington, New Yorkand the U.S. homeland.

Such developments put into sharp relief the need to choose a new President who doesn’t simply have a great tax reform plan, and a plan to grow the economy and create millions of jobs and reduce spending and balance the budget and reform entitlements. We certainly need a President who will defend the sanctity of innocent human life, and the sanctity of Biblical marriage. Those are vital issues. But so…

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IHOP-KC’s Mike Bickle on fake and “genuine” Holy Spirit manifestations

Mike Bickle tells the IHOP-KC students, “I know that I know the value of genuine manifestations. The real. Again I’ve seen, and I’ve had it happen to me, people thrashed around, I’ve seen people thrown against walls, and across rooms. I’ve seen a lot of fake, but I’ve seen a lot of real.” (5:15 in video)

Incredibly, Mike Bickle says he does not allow fake manifestations of the Holy Spirit up on the platform, but “I will allow the fake in the room because I so believe in the genuine.” (6:25)


Francis Chan and Southern Baptist Convention President Ronnie Floyd are scheduled to speak at IHOP-KC’s Onething convention in late December 2015.  Because of Floyd’s participation, many SBC members will be exposed via the internet to the IHOP-KC organization. Catholic Matt Maher will be one of the worship leaders.

This is far more than an International House of Prayer public relations victory. This is the growing ecumenism that is contributing to the rise of the false church.

In the above video, Bickle encourages the young people to seek genuine manifestations of the Holy Spirit, while warning that 80% of what occurs is fake. He discourages those he calls “auto-manifesters” and “auto-screamers.” Significantly, and unfortunately, the danger of demonic deception and manifestation is never addressed.

Manifestations, signs and wonders. Like Bill Johnson of Bethel Redding, Mike Bickle continues to emphasize a “bells-and-whistles” theology.

Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment.  (James 3:1)

As Holly Pivec points out, Bickle has misinterpreted scripture, which has served to further the bells-and-whistles agenda. [1]

Please watch the entire video, as I have by no means transcribed every relevant statement. In his message to the IHOP-KC students, Bickle is essentially trying to get the cat back into the bag. He is addressing abuses, while defending some “manifestions” as genuine.

Bickle states, “I’ve experienced many different times of manifestations personally.” (2:42 in video)

“I know that I know the value of genuine manifestations. The real. Again I’ve seen, and I’ve had it happen to me, people thrashed around, I’ve seen people thrown against walls, and across rooms. I’ve seen a lot of fake, but I’ve seen a lot of real.” (5:15)

So…people getting thrown across rooms is the Holy Spirit?

“…it’s not all fake and the genuine is in our midst, and I will allow a whole lot of hamburger helper to allow the genuine to take place. I will not promote it but I will allow it, because the genuine is so important to the Kingdom of God.” (6:04)

As noted, Mike Bickle says he does not allow fake manifestations of the Holy Spirit up on the platform, but “I will allow the fake in the room because I so believe in the genuine.” (6:25)

And, of course, in hypercharismania, a good manifestation is sometimes the “holy laughter”:

“I’ve had times when the Lord’s come on me and I’ve laughed and I could not stop. A few times it was really embarrassing because I was in a situation where it would have been better if I could have stopped.” (2:59)

It would be far better for the Body of Christ if Chan and Floyd canceled their Onething speaking engagements, but it is not likely. Chan, after all, has already been a Onething speaker in 2013. Nor will Catholic Matt Maher be canceled. Mike Bickle, like many contemplatives, seems spiritually unable or unwilling to discern the vast chasm between Catholic theology and the Truth of the Bible.

If you want to further investigate these Catholic and contemplative leanings  click here.

Source Notes:


[This video is twice the length as the one covered in 2013]



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