Dominionists are on the move…and they mean business by Marsha West


The New Apostolic Reformation keeps growing. This 2011 Marsha West article is a good reminder why we should remain vigilant.

Originally posted on My Word Like Fire:

Once we have the apostles in place, we will then bring the intercessors and the prophets into the inner circle, and we will end up with the spiritual core we need to move ahead for retaking the dominion that is rightfully ours.”  — C. Peter Wagner

Until recently not many folks were aware of a man by the name of C. Peter Wagner.  But Wagner is quickly becoming a person of interest thanks largely to Christian Right (CR) becoming chummy with him and other high-level charismatic dominionists.   In the past couple of months much has been written on pro-family groups uniting of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) dominionists.  In fact it was the prominent American Family Association (AFA) that sponsored Governor Rick Perry’s August 2011 prayer rally The Response that included many NAR notables in leadership roles.   

The NAR’s purpose is to restore the office of Apostles and Prophets and advance the Kingdom of God.  According…

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“Pitiable, capitulating pro-family leaders, Part 2″ by Marsha West

Before the term pro-family was hijacked by liberals (evangelical was also hijacked) supporters were largely made up from conservative Protestants, Roman Catholics, Mennonites, Mormons, Muslims, and Jews, naming just a few. For the sake of the country, religious conservatives agreed to set aside their differences and pull together a grass roots movement of concerned citizens. These folks put their money where their mouth is in an all out effort to win elections. Their hope was that the politicians they elected would return America to “one nation under God.” Unfortunately, it didn’t much matter to pro-family leaders (LIE-celebs) which god their supporters bowed to as long as participants held conservative values and went to the polls.

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About the “mantle” NAR’s Chuck Pierce gave to Glenn Beck

The New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) is weak on doctrine and lacking in wisdom, judgment, and discernment.

For some in this movement, that is an understatement: The Grand Poohbah of the NAR, C. Peter Wagner, holds to open theism. This is the belief that God might not have absolute foreknowledge of all things. [1] Apparently there are a few in the apostolic movement who “hold to the doctrine of Oneness,” and Wagner is okay with these (heretics) who reject Trinitarian understanding. [2]

From Bethel Redding leader Bill Johnson’s acceptance of kenosis to IHOP-KC’s Mike Bickle’s promotion of contemplative prayer, the New Apostolic Reformation leaders have brought much error into the church.

This brings us to NAR “prophet” Chuck Pierce, who ceremonially gave a mantle to Glenn Beck, a Mormon.

According to Holly Pivec, “So when Pierce presented a mantle to Beck, people in the audience–who regard Pierce as a prophet–understood that their prophet was conferring some type of prophetic status on Beck. This should trouble Christians. Why? Because a leading prophet in the NAR is recognizing a member of the Mormon church–a cult of Christianity, which rejects essential doctrines of the Christian faith– as a true messenger of God. A true prophet of God would do no such thing.” [3] (Read)

The reach and influence of the NAR is vast, and often unrecognized. In GOD’S SUPER-APOSTLES, authors Pivec and Geivett note, “In short, NAR is a global movement with an agenda to bring back apostles and prophets to the church–apostles like Peter and Paul and prophets like Moses and Elijah. NAR leaders claim that God always intended for apostles and prophets to rule the church…” [4]

The NAR is powerful, and thankfully does not rule the entire Body of Christ. But what have NAR leaders brought us? False eschatology, false visions, contemplative prayer (IHOP-KC and Bethel Redding), twisted doctrine, introduction to quantum mysticism (Bill Johson, Mark Chironna), occult Kabbalah (Pierce), and mantles to nowhere.

Bonus: What is Kabbalah ?:

Source Notes:
1. C. Peter Wagner, The Changing Church: How God is leading His Church into the future, pg. 154
2. Ibid., pg. 157
4.  R. Douglass Geivett and Holly Pivec, GOD’S SUPER-APOSTLES, pg.4

NAR Kabbalist Chuck Pierce “mantles” Mormon Glenn Beck

The woman who made this video not only talks about New Apostolic Reformation “apostle” Chuck Pierce giving a mantle (?) to Glenn Beck, but shows the Pierce/Kabbalah connection as well.

Bonus: What is Kabbalah?

Check out the Psalm 86 Channel on YouTube, and here is her blog:

What A.A. co-founder’s LSD adventures revealed about A.A., and about himself

A.A. co-founder Bill Wilson’s involvement with LSD (Read) tells us two things. According to A.A. historian Ernest Kurtz, “Here, then, is one clear reason why Bill Wilson experimented with LSD: he was seeking still further ways of helping alcoholics who could not seem to attain sobriety in Alcoholics Anonymous because, apparently, they could not ‘get the spiritual.’” [1]

Wilson fully understood there were motivated alcoholics for whom A.A. was simply ineffective. Referring to the LSD experiments on alcoholics, Wilson’s secretary Nell Wing stated, “There were alcoholics in the hospitals, of whom A.A. could touch and help only about five percent.” [2]

Many people have died because A.A.’s limitations are never acknowledged in Alcoholics Anonymous meetings. For years we have simply assumed those unable to get sober via A.A. are not really serious about quitting drinking. This can certainly be true for some. But it is also true that A.A.’s “all-gods talk therapy” is ineffective and harmful to many–in this life and the next.

Anyone who has attended A.A. knows that two key passages from the A.A. Big Book (the A.A. “bible”) are taken literally. This is what is read to alcoholics from the How It Works chapter at the beginning of every single meeting:

“Rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our path. Those who do not recover are people who cannot or will not completely give themselves to this simple program, usually men and women who are constitutionally incapable of being honest with themselves. There are such unfortunates. They are not at fault; they seem to have been born that way.” [2](bold mine)

How It Works goes on to note, “We thought we could find an easier, softer way. But we could not.” [3]

As noted elsewhere, despite the elasticity of the higher power, these two fundamentalist passages lock many into the A.A. system, while also teaching contempt or distrust for alternative ways of gaining sobriety. People are pointed away from Christ and His church (and also away from secular alternatives). This will be vehemently denied by Christian A.A. defenders, but it is my experience, and the experience of many others.

Irving Peter Gellman observes, “A member who suggests that A.A. is not as effective as maintained, and who implies that some improvement might be made, will be censured when broaching these ideas. The A.A. program is deemed infallible, whereas other methods are considered less than perfect.” [4]

Bill Wilson’s LSD sessions show us something else. His willingness to seek such a spiritual solution to alcoholism reveals, yet again, Wilson’s lack of understanding. He was not trying to lead people to the biblical Christ, but to some form of mystical breakthrough. Wilson hoped LSD might cause ego reduction, thus facilitating the “influx of God’s grace.” [5]

But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. (1 Corinthians 2:14)

In a letter to Sam Shoemaker, Wilson states, “[There is] the probability that prayer, fasting, meditation, despair, and other conditions that predispose one to classic mystical experiences do have their chemical components. These chemical conditions aid in shutting out the normal ego drives, and to [that] extent, they do open doors to a wider perception. If one assumes this is so–and there is already some biochemical evidence of it–then one cannot be too concerned whether these mystic results are encouraged by fasting or whether they are brought on by [other means].” [6]

Where did Bill Wilson ever preach the undiluted gospel of Jesus Christ? His way was always that of spiritualism, Swedenborgian influence, mysticism, and rebellion.

Wilson himself said, “In some ways I feel very close to conservative Christianity. In other respects–important ones to Christians–no particular convictions seem to come. Maybe down deep I don’t want to be convinced. I just don’t know.” [7]

Biographer Francis Hartigan, who served as Lois Wilson’s (Bill’s wife’s) secretary for thirteen years, had many interesting conversations with the Widow Wilson. He writes, “[A.A. co-founder Bill Wilson’s] belief in God might have become unshakeable, but he could never embrace any theology or even the divinity of Jesus, and he went to his grave unable to give his own personal idea of God much definition. In this sense, he was never very far removed from the unbelievers.” [8] (Bold mine)

If you are a person in A.A., I want to tell you something. There is something worse than alcohol addiction, and there is one way, and one way only, to escape it. LSD cannot accomplish this. Neither can Eastern/new age meditation, and neither can any version of a higher power a person invents or adapts.

You are in A.A. to quit drinking, or to maintain sobriety.  I have been homeless on the streets of four cities. I have been addicted to alcohol and heroin. But…here I am, an old grandpa type guy. I am content in life (which can be plenty rough for Christians, don’t let TV preachers fool you), and I will live forever. So can you.

We are sinners by nature and by our actions. Our sin is an offense to God. You and I might think we are doing okay, that we are basically good people, but we are judged by God’s standard, not our own. For God is Holy. There is none like Him. Until we know His Son as Savior and Lord, we are condemned. Eternally. Our sin has separated us from our very Maker.

For God did not send His son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (John 3:17-18)  

So, I am grieved that Christians so willingly join A.A. where all gods are seen as equal, and where our theology mixes and merges with twelve step spirituality. This is against His will. (2 Corinthians 6:14-17, Galatians 1:8-9, Isiah 42:8) I grieve too, for you who have believed the A.A. theology that it doesn’t matter who or what you believe your higher power to be.

It matters.

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.” (John 14:6)

God is Holy. He is righteous. Yet, He is so kind. He has made a way for us. He sent His son to bear His wrath, to take our punishment, to  atone for our sins.

Paul explains, For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,” (1 Corinthians 15:3)

I have asked the Lord that you in A.A. who read this will want to know Him, that you will ask His forgiveness for sins.

My friend, repent and believe in the Lord Jesus. God can grant you sobriety, and so much more.

Don’t go the way of Bill Wilson.


1. Ernest Kurtz, The Collected Ernie Kurtz, pg. 42 Link

2. PASS IT ON, pg.370

2. Alcoholics Anonymous “Big Book,” Chapter 5: How It Works, pg. 58

3. Ibid.

4. Irving Peter Gellman, The Sober Alcoholic, pg. 121

5. PASS IT ON, pg. 370

6. PASS IT ON, pg. 374

7. June 2, 1959 letter from Bill Wilson to Father Ed Dowling. This letter quoted from by Robert Fitzgerald, S.J., in his book, The Soul of Sponsorship, pg. 92

8. Francis Hartigan, Bill W., pg. 123

“Pitiable Capitulating Pro-family Leaders Part 1″ by Marsha West

Religious Right, Christian Right, religious conservatives, “values voters” and evangelicals  are a few of the titles given to the social and or political groups that wish to hang on to the “traditional family values” (TFV) that are passed on from one generation to the next.  These values are defined as “the moral and ethical principles traditionally upheld and transmitted within a family, [such as] honesty, loyalty, industry, and faith.”  How they go about this maintenance effort varies drastically.

The most radical of these believe they have a mandate from God to occupy all secular institutions and dominate the political process until Christ returns.  Unfortunately many evangelicals are participating in this seemingly godly effort, unaware of what’s going on behind the scenes.  They’re blindly following Christian Right (CR) leaders down some very dangerous paths.

All In The Family

TFV has its roots in the Bible and is derived from the Ten Commandments.  So for Christians there’s nothing wrong with having a desire to hang on to family values, especially when it comes to adopting ethical principles taught in Scripture.  In our post-modern culture, however, a growing number of liberal Americans are moral relativists.  For these folks there are no moral absolutes and culture, not the Bible, determines right from wrong.

The moral freefall America’s now in stems from the culture war of the 1960s.  Expressions such as “anything goes” “if it feels good do it” “sex, drugs and rock and roll” describe the mind-set of the hippie generation.  The counter culture movement grew legs in the 1960’s, sprinted into the 21st Century, and continues to gain momentum to this day.  The 60’s revolution was actually America’s rebellion against the God of the Bible.  Unfortunately much of what was generated then lives on today.  I’ll touch on that in a moment.

The problem isn’t with the folks who care about TFV; it lies with some—not all– of the organizations that are fighting on the front lines of the culture war battlefield.  In their zeal to defeat liberalism and to bring a modicum of sanity back to America, the CR joined forces with outright heretics, blurring the line that separates orthodoxy from heresy. [ – – Here is the link to rest of Marsha West’s article: ]

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A.A. co-founder knew Christians would see his view of Christ as “terrific heresy”

According to A.A. co-founder Bill Wilson, “Christ is, of course, the leading figure to me. Yet I have never been able to receive complete assurance that He was one hundred per cent God. I seem to be just as comfortable with the figure of ninety-nine per cent. I know that from a conservative Christian point of view this is a terrific heresy.” [1]

Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” (John 8:58)

Keep Bill Wilson’s admission in mind when pro-A.A. authors like Dick B. and Ken B. try and cast Wilson as a Christian, and A.A. as Christian in origin.

Source Notes:
1. Mel B., My Search For Bill W., pg. 21 ( from a letter dated July 2, 1956 from A.A. co-founder Bill Wilson to Mel B.)

At least this hasn’t happened yet…

So much deception pouring into the Body of Christ. Contemplative prayer. False apostles and prophets. Hellish “Bibles.” Homo-spirituality. But, at least we aren’t placing Christ alongside pagan gods just yet.

Oh. Wait a minute...

The Coming of Christ

And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war.

His eyes are a flame of fire, and on His head are many diadems; and He has a name written on Him which no one knows except Himself.

He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

Revelation 19:11-13

GOD’S SUPER-APOSTLES and where to get the book

This link will take you to Holly Pivec’s blog, where you can find out where to purchase GOD’S SUPER-APOSTLES. That’s one good reason to go there.

Here’s another: Pivec has been researching and reporting on the New Apostolic Reformation for a long time now. If you have concerns about this movement, this blog is a great resource:

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