Alcoholics Anonymous pagan symbol speaks volumes

In Alcoholics Anonymous Comes Of Age,  Alcoholics Anonymous co-founder Bill Wilson writes, “That we have chosen this symbol is perhaps no mere accident. The priests and seers of antiquity regarded the circle enclosing the triangle as a means of warding off spirits of evil, and AA’s circle of Recovery, Unity, and Service has certainly meant all that to us and much more.” (Alcoholics Anonymous Comes Of Age, pg.139, Bold mine)

The pagan symbol, for years closely identified with AA, speaks volumes. If only some pro-AA authors could be more upfront about the AA co-founders themselves.

Erroneously portrayed as a Christian, Bill Wilson was used to bring 12 Step spirituality into the culture and into the very Body of Christ. With this syncretism, “recovery” has often been understood as “sanctification.”

But there is nothing sanctified about the 12 Steps. Given to Bill Wilson by a familiar spirit (http://mywordlikefire.com/2008/09/24/seances-spirits-and-12-steps/), the 12 Steps have been a major factor in the dilution of Christianity.  Nor was Wilson alone in his rebellion against Jesus Christ. Dr. Bob Smith, the other Alcoholics Anonymous co-founder, was not a Christian either. (HERE)

What does all this mean? It means we are in trouble. Deep trouble.

Now you, son of man, listen to what I am speaking to you; do not be rebellious like that rebellious house. Open your mouth and eat what I am giving you. ” … “So I opened my mouth and He fed me this scroll. He said to me, ‘Son of man, feed your stomach and fill your body with this scroll I am giving you.’  Then I ate it, and it was sweet as honey in my mouth.” (Ezekiel 2: 8, 3: 1-3)  

 

Related: How Heretics Shaped Alcoholics Anonymous http://raptureready.com/soap/Lanagan4.html

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  1. Actually the true vehicle that drives people away fomr your god is intolerance of other people and how they reach out to a higher power. It is people who say “my god is bigger than your god” that drive me batty. I have been a constant member of the AA program with 25 years of wonderful recovery. I was the lost soul who hated any and all mention of any god let alone the god of the bible which is also the god of the jews. I wonder why it is so difficlut for so called christians to accept that their “truth” is not the only truth. The Dalai Llama once said, and I paraphrase here, I love your Christ, it is your christians I can’t stand. It is because the so called christians are intolerant of how other people tend to worship. But alas prejudice and bigotry are hard to combat. Love and peace to all and my you find your own path.

  2. Acquiescing to a spiritual system opposed to Christ is not love–it is not love for God nor for our fellow man.

  3. “Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother’s way.” Basically if any man alters or impedes or gets in the way of a lost soul trying to find his way to Christ, will have to answer to the One and True living God. Please be mindful with the words we say or type, because we will have to give an account for even the idle words that proceed out of our mouths.

    Lastly let us not forget, we serve a God of love and peace. To display ourselves any other way only brings shame to our God. We are different from all others because we love first. Bickering back and forth is how the world handles their problems not us. May the mercy and grace of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ follow you all.

  4. AA is the vehicle that has driven many away from Christ. It is a subtrend of the New Age and Christians should not have anything to do with it.

    I am not an alcoholic any longer as Christ has freed me. I praise Him that I did not die because of AA’s false claims in terms of effectiveness and allegedly being a “spiritual program.”

  5. Greetings.
    I read your page.
    Are you an alcoholic? Did AA work or not work for you?
    Not sure what part of AA you are stating to lure one away from Jesus because Jesus Christ isn’t mentioned in the 164 pages of the AA Big Book.

    As for your claim of pagan symbols, well, the first Christian emperor was pagan, remember? A fusion of beliefs took place because of this. As far as the circle and triangle, can you see Alpha & Omega? I wonder if you place a Christmas tree in your house. I’m sure you can list many things we do today with pagan origin.

    Understanding God and having God in one’s life is a good thing, and a very special spiritual connect that no one can change, give, or take away. That is called faith. Your text can give me insight on your view of God, AA, Bill Wilson, etc., but it cannot attract me to God, nor give me faith. That is my choice. What AA does is give the alcoholic the opportunity to reconnect spiritually– to God. This opportunity is even presented to those that come in beaten down from skid row, from Appalachia, the Bronx, Hartford,CT, Zebulon,GA; those that come from any social class, all of whom sometimes don’t have God and are suffering from this illness. They will have a place in the rooms of AA.

    Peace!

  6. Gavin,
    I have been to many an AA meeting and do know what I am talking about. More importantly–far more importantly–the Word of God forbids Christians from participating in non-Christian spirituality. I have seen both atheists and Bible believing Christians totally abused in AA, so for you to pop off about Christians is..standard, but sad.

    There is only one way to heaven, and that is through Christ. A.A. is a treatment trap, and a theological trap.

    http://mywordlikefire.com/the-spiritual-goal-of-the-a-a-religion/

    http://mywordlikefire.com/2014/01/09/questions-for-a-a-christians/

  7. I love how all the superior minded bigotted so called christians on here denounce things they know nothing about. First off the claim that the pope above made that AA kills more people than it helps is not only preposterous but is also a lie. AA has helped millions world wide. You know what is killing people other than your bigotry? Alcoholism. AA has a solution. If religion ever did then why has it not presented a solution that works? Secondly let’s talk about your so called word of God, the bible. Like the Big Book it too was written by…oh wait for it…men. End of story. There are no more truths in the bible than there are in the Big Book. But go ahead and continue talking about things you know nothing about because karma will —– slap you in the end. Other things that I take exception about the bible includes; women being inferior to God. Slavery being okay to God. And Christians using the old testament as the word of the christian god as it is the word of the Jewish God. But as long as you all can pick and choose right? May the real God or gods/goddesses bless you and keep you until then.

  8. Hi Don,
    I know this is hard writing for AA members and “AA Christians.”

  9. The operator of this website is a.sick, twisted and evil person.

  10. Yes, but most Christians are not aware of the damage done by AA.

  11. It’s true it seems like everything now and days are pointing away from Jesus Christ and pointing everybody to this self enlightenment a higher power as you say but A.A. Isn’t the only organization doing so

  12. I’m not Catholic. And AA is a lure. It is ineffective but is promoted as if it is a can’t miss deal. Really, it is a decoy. Some people invent a false god, get sober, and end up perishing in the eternal fires because they denied Jesus. Most, however, end up as relapsing AA members, chained to the higher power theology, and they perish eternally.

    A.A. points our culture away from Christ and His church.

    http://mywordlikefire.com/2011/06/21/a-a-higher-power-theology-destroying-faith-in-christ/

  13. Own house

  14. If A.A. Helped these people why are you talking bad about it, if that’s what changed their lives and led them to sobering up then good for them don’t penalize them just because they didnt find sobriety through Jesus Christ. Yes he is the only way to get to the father or heaven yes we know but that doesn’t mean A.A. Can’t help you on your way back to recovery. A.A. Has connections to paganism you say? Well so does the Catholic Church so does your holidays and even the day they worship on Sunday and that’s a church why don’t you preach about the paganism inside your

  15. Hi, Koen. Here is what you said: “Somewhere in the big book, it says something like acquire ways to pray from your priest minister or rabbi. And the AA doesn’t make christians less christians because the christians in the AA can have Jesus as a higher power.”

    Here is also what the Big Book says, in direct contradiction to the teaching of Jesus Himself: “We found that God does not make too hard terms with those who seek Him. To us, the Realm of Spirit is broad,roomy, all inclusive; never exclusive or forbidding to those who earnestly seek. It is open, we believe, to all men. When, therefore, when we speak to you of God, we mean your own conception of God.” (pg.46-47) (bold mine) The Big Book also speaks of the spiritual “Broad Highway.”(pg.55)(bold mine)

    But, Koen, this is precisely what Jesus warns against: He tells us in Matthew 7:13, “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.”

    In the next verse, Matthew 7:14, Christ tells us, “For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few that find it.”
    A.A. does not have Christ’s support or approval, if the Bible is truly the Word of God. And it is the Word of God.

    it is diabolical, really. It works for a minority, but its adherents present it as if it will work for those who “work the program.” It encourages people to make up their salad bar gods (hey, a little of this, a little of that), while regularly discouraging people from “church,” i.e., Christianity.

    Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness; but instead even expose them. (Ephesians 5:11)

  16. Somewhere in the big book, it says something like acquire ways to pray from your priest minister or rabbi. And the AA doesn’t make christians less christians because the christians in the AA can have Jesus as a higher power.

  17. I had to delete your cursewords but I will respond to your angry comment. I am glad you are presumably no longer drinking. But AA has killed–yes,killed–far more people than it has ever helped. People get trapped in AA. Although it is relatively ineffective, people are taught it is the only way to sobriety … so it becomes a cycle of drinking and returning to meetings, over and over.

    A.A. is a very powerful religion–I have been to many meetings and I am one of many who can verify the emotional and spiritual abuse that so often takes place.

    A.A. points people away from Christ and also waters down the theology of Christians who do attend A.A.

    This may just serve to increase your anger, but I will be praying for you. Jesus is real. He is the ONLY way to the Father. (John 14:6) The only way…

    He died for our sins and was buried and rose on the third day. Repent, and believe in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. Confess your sins and ask His forgiveness.

    Please read John in the New Testament.

    This is why the whole “higher power” concept is so terriying.

  18. —– you christian —-. I am in AA it saved my life….go stone some prostitutes and gays you archaic —-. there is far more spiritual and emotional abuse in the christian churches….as well as more pedophiles and thieves….let us do our thing…worry about yourself… stop hiding behind your 2000 year old book. Jesus might be real he might not…but i know that AA saved me and many others so leave us the — alone.

  19. For those who do not understand that AA is not rooted in the truth, I am sorry and pray for you. I work with recovering alcoholics (being one myself) and we all would say to you in one voice- AA is not working. 3 million saved over 70 years is nothing compared to the hundreds of millions that Jesus has saved.

  20. I pray that is so. Does your Christ instruct that He is the only way to the Father? (John 14:6)

  21. AA has helped me recover from addiction and sustain my recovery for many years. It has also brought me back to Christ. Can’t see the problem here. I focus on the good in all, ot the negative..that only leads to ignorance and darkness.

  22. And how many with their false gods and rejection of Christ are going to end up as eternal barbecue? This concerns me very much, and I am not trying to be flippant about it. Thank you for commenting.

    “I am the way. and the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.” (John 14:6)Christ Himself tells us this.

    Do you know how to get saved? Do you know what Christians are saved from?

  23. Hey Preacher man.I have an idea.We will get together and have a cookout. You invite all the people who recovered from active addiction your way,and us 12-steppers will also come.

    P.S.
    we may need to borrow some of your empty chairs as we are well over 3 million in number.

  24. To the guy who is raising his child in AA.. Ok AA’s roots =spirtulism not spirituality=and surely not Christian. Why in the world would you take Bill Wilson authority on spiritual matters over Peter-Paul or even Jesus Christ himself.

    Read you bible and test it against what you are being taught in 12 steps. Read the autobiography of this group and Bill Wilson himself Pass it on Page 278. Let me ask you a question where in the bible does it say its ok to choose you own God? Where in the bible (Holy Bible) does it say you can believe that its ok to talk and communicate with the dead? Where is it ok to channel (senances) automatic writing?

    I have come to the conclusion that this site and mine an many others know sound doctrine that is why we are able to see the truth where others are being deceived. Our hearts and eyes are on the teachings of Jesus Christ in the Holy bible.

    I once was apart of that AA and let me tell you by experince it is a cult. A shame base . That hides behind anymouns to hide all the 13th stepping and abuse that comes in and around those lost indiv. and court order molesters-predators in those rooms. Why in the world would you subject your own child to such tactics?

    There are so many being deceived. Rick Warren example of his CR which lets not forget where those ORGINAL 12 steps came from -the roots of those 12 steps. I promise you this The enemy would be more than happy to replace salvation with recovery. It is “sin” it is drunkard not disease. Read the bible. There is a way that seems right to man but in the end is death…… I pray you all read throughly the holy bible and get into a church and a bible study and learn and believe and you too will be free. I am free and I completely changed -my heart has changed and i have been transform by God. I feel blessed he spared me show me false teaching and false doctrine. I am so blessed I know the truth and I am not deceived any longer.

  25. Preach it!

  26. Bill W,

    I need to address your opinion, “You have no idea of what of what you are putting down. Your real problem with AA is that we are always inclusive and never exclusive.
    Or in simpler words you are welcome as is anyone with any belief system, even Budists, Moslems, Atheists and Agnostics are welcome. It is beyond your narrow views to see the bigger picture and that scares you. So in my opinion you are driven by fear and fear alone. Fear has many faces and you wear the face of fear.”

    The real problem with AA is its attempt to claim some form of ‘Christianity’, its famous ‘higher power’ belief, its claim that you can be free from the bondage of addiction through AA. You have NO CLUE as to the origin of addiction, it is SIN. All sin is a bondage – John 8:34 Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin.” Since when can a man-made program cure sinful bondages? Simply put, they cannot. Christ died to break the power of sin over those who believe in Him. That’s the ‘cure’ to sin, believing on the Lord Jesus.

    Shame on you for playing ‘god’ and claiming AA is so inclusive, so loving and helpful. AA cannot free sinners from their bondage to sin, in this case, drugs and alcohol. Your allegations are false and have no biblical backing; as for having ‘narrow views’ and being ‘fearful’, these are claims that are mere opinions stemming from a mind that has no understanding of the power of sin, the grip it has on all of humanity, and the end result of its bondage.

    Your program does no good, it does not preach the exclusivity of Christ crucified and the sinners hopeless state. Those who attend AA and claim ‘victory’ over their bondage are deceived, deceived by the likes of you and the man-made program of AA. Christ does NOT need man’s programs to help free sinners, He did it all when He gave Himself on the cross. It is finished….

  27. You have no idea of what of what you are putting down. Your real problem with AA is that we are always inclusive and never exclusive. Or in simpler words you are welcome as is anyone with any belief system, even Budists, Moslems, Atheists and Agnostics are welcome. It is beyond your narrow views to see the bigger picture and that scares you. So in my opinion you are driven by fear and fear alone. Fear has many faces and you wear the face of fear.

  28. We are not talking about rights. We are talking about Christians obeying God. The Lord says come out and be separate, that Christ has nothing to do with Belial. (2 Corinthians 6:14-17) I have been homeless and addicted on those streets and alleys you refer to, and Christ rescued me, and was and is very patient with me.

  29. Most of these statements I have read while searching for a viable recovery symbol to put on a t-shirt somehow lead me here. Out of all the intelligence that has become part of our everyday life I find it funny that men and women today still live like they don’t have a brain. Thousands of years ago people were squabbling over the same stuff “my belief system is better than yours” there has been some great men who have pointed out the way” ideally” men and women to live and I concur with those who promote peace & love. For 8000 years man has tried to live according to one belief system after another; 2000 years ago Christianity evolved and many men on this planet lost their lives believing in it and fighting for the right to practice it; many a righteous man has snubbed his nose at the drunk man laying in the gutter and the only help he could find was in the rooms of AA. IN the rooms of AA & NA men and women are finding the strength to be better human beings; we are not being taught to persecute that homeless man or woman sitting in the alley searching in the dark for hope, we are learning to give up our character defects and open our hearts up to spirituality; to love our neighbor and not to cast stones at glass houses. AA does not promote AA it’s purpose is to help the man or woman who wants to stay sober, that’s all!. If I were a better christian I would probably try to find away to help AA more than I am able to today. I encourage all people today “let’s all just get along” You have the right to practice your religion, I have the right to attend AA whenever I have a spare moment and when I bow my head to say the serenity prayer I will have you in mind.

  30. I was a compulsive drunk and hardcore drug user, went to AA and got sober, it led me back to church. We talk about God and Jesus in our meetings. Now I attend AA to help others get sober and I am raising my son in the church. Saved my life. Not sure why I want to change that :).

  31. There is much spiritual and emotional abuse in A.A. There are also many different people, doing the best they can, with the false system they have been taught.

  32. I have been sober 11 years and truly AA has given me more emotional pain and angst than any other endeavor to remain sober. People with deep- seated emotional problems posing as spiritual guides is just ridiculous, Ego rules the roost. Old men and women running meetings like social clubs. Sponsors are over burdened at least the good ones, and even if you are fortunate to find someone, they expect you to buy them lunch. It borders on extortion.

    AA means alcoholics. Its not for hard drug addicts or the multiple-diagnosed. Narcotics anonymous is a club for bikers and hookers and is for the most part a joke. If you’re not tattooed and a machine-head they call you a “fag.” it’s the spiritually corrupt leading the spiritually blind. AA is so full of these liars and criminals you can’t trust anyone. Just forget being anonymous! If your not the butt of their jokes you are not even on the radar. It blows my mind that the wife-beating rageaholic, Bill Wilson, should claim holy divinity.

    What has been the most helpful to me is talking through emotions, medication and diet. Can the divinity crap. Personally, I have found that AA is that social trash can of our society. I especially abhor the 12- steps sponsors taking advantage of desperate female newby’s. AA is rife with sexual predators and women looking for sober husbands, which is absurd thinking that two sick people can form a healthy relationship.

    The most helpful thing i have found is to get the hell away from any people with addictions. This is tough to do but it can be done, and you will be rewarded with emotional peace and spiritual awareness.

    I truly believe Jesus will show you the way if He is asked sincerely, as He has done for me. God bless.

  33. Hi Clara,
    It is alcoholics, the culture, and the church that have been fooled. AA is successful–but its success is not in treatment effectiveness but in public relations and publicity–and in steering people away from Salvation through Jesus Christ.

    According to the Alcoholics Anonymous Big Book (the A.A. “bible”), “We found that God does not make too hard terms with those who seek Him. To us, the Realm of the Spirit is broad, roomy, all inclusive; never exclusive or forbidding to those who earnestly seek. It is open, we believe, to all men. When, therefore, we speak to you of God, we mean your own conception of God.”[1] (Bold mine)

    Well, that sounds very loving and reasonable. Yet Christ Himself warns us against such a thing. Jesus said to him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father but through me. (John 14:6)

    The Lord, in fact, specifically warns against the broad way. “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is BROAD that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.” (Matthew 7:13)

    It is no coincidence that the A.A. Big Book again makes a direct reference to this spiritual Broad Highway: “If our testimony helps sweep away prejudice, enables you to think honestly, encourages you to search diligently within yourself, then, if you wish, you can join us on the Broad Highway. With this attitude you cannot fail. The consciousness of your belief is sure to come to you.”[2] (Bold mine)

    In 2 Corinthians 6:14-17, we are told to separate ourselves. In Galatians 1:6-9, Paul says that he who brings another gospel is “accursed.” The Alcoholics Anonymous theology, wherein Christ is seen as one higher power among many, is most certainly another gospel.

    If Christians were to base involvement in Alcoholics Anonymous on the Word of God—Sola Scriptura—we would not be at the meetings at all.

    Why, then, are so many of us part of it? Most Christians believe A.A. and the 12 Steps have a Biblical beginning. Therefore, the reasoning goes, we can either “take back” the 12 Steps Celebrate Recovery etc.), or attend A.A with Jesus as our “higher power.”

    But there is no “taking back” something that never came from Christ.

    http://www.raptureready.com/soap/lanagan3.html

    Clara, thanks for taking the time to tee off. Ask Jesus Christ is He is real. May He show you through His Word, and His Spirit.

    Jesus said to him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father but through me. (John 14:6)

  34. What fools. Apparently the critisizers have never read any AA material because God is mentioned often. “That one is God; may you find Him now.” How sad that anyone would attempt to steer someone away from an organization that has helped millions achieve sobriety since 1935.

  35. You are incorrect. A.A. is ineffective for most motivated people, but is portrayed (as you have just done) as the most effective–really, the only–solution, and this traps many in their alcoholism. But A.A. has led many to eternal death, hell, because most are pointed away from Christ.

  36. Do you drink? Have you read the preamble of A,A? What (really) is the need you feel to attack this fellowship? AA representes about 18% world wide of people who get sober. and it’s the only place where people of (all)people can meet in one accord. it’s sad that you would take the time out to try to dismantel something that helped so many people and use scripture to do it. Has any group in A,A, EVER lead a bunch of people, to their deaths like Jim Jones Did? AA has people from All Wakls of life and thats cool. after all: Sunday is the most Segerated Day of the week! In 23 years I thank God For Alcoholic Anomyous! For I know the truth! all they tried to do was help others. And remember what Jesus said; Why worry about the speck in your brothers eye when you have a log in yours

  37. I commend you on your blog and all of the lies that exists within AA and NA’s literature…Neither AA or NA have any power to cast down the Stronghold of Addiction…Only Christ has that Power..All those so called spiritual principles they promote are nothing but lies and have been influenced by satan…Oh another thing, NA has not helped as many people as some my think…In and out, in and out of relapse is not what I call successful recovery…Confessing your past affliction (Addict) into your present recovery (New Creation in Christ) is not Biblical…
    Thanks for allowing me to share…!!!!!

  38. We’re all in deep trouble because an organization that has helped millions of people recover from addiction is not rooted in Christianity? You’re an idiot!

  39. It is the “non-Christians,” as you put it, who are being deceived, in that they are in a system which is structured spiritually to point them away from Christ. It is also the Christians who are deceived, in that they belong to this 12 Step spirituality even though it is Biblically forbidden.

  40. The more that a fundamentalist talks about other “non-Christians,” the more they prove themselves heretics and idolaters.


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