GOD’S SUPER-APOSTLES and where to get the book

This link will take you to Holly Pivec’s blog, where you can find out where to purchase GOD’S SUPER-APOSTLES. That’s one good reason to go there.

Here’s another: Pivec has been researching and reporting on the New Apostolic Reformation for a long time now. If you have concerns about this movement, this blog is a great resource: http://www.spiritoferror.org/

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Supernatural Encounters

Originally posted on m'kayla's korner:

Supernatural Encounters

God is supernatural and many unexplained supernatural events can occur. But we have become out of focus with “God can do anything”, and too much emphasis on the supernatural occurrences and an excess of angelic visitation, supernatural experiences and dreams and visions.  Even the great prophets and disciples in the bible didn’t have THAT many. God never violates His own character or His word.

In the bible, every supernatural occurrence had a reason and an outcome. Current false teaching is just the opposite with those false teachers and prophets claiming trips to heaven and out of body experiences for no reason other than to just hang out and have a good time.  They claim it is their “right” as a child of God. Really?  I wasn’t aware we had rights to anything.

Ezekiel was not taken up in the spirit to “hang out”.  He was called as a…

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New Apostolic Reformation in your church?

I have just finished reading GOD’S SUPER-APOSTLES, by R. Douglas Geivett and Holly Pivec. The book is important enough that I am reading it again before I write a review.

The Body of Christ has been greatly affected by the New Apostolic Reformation and its advocates, even when this term is not recognized. Mike Bickle of International House of Prayer, Bill Johnson of Bethel Redding, Chuck Pierce, Cindy Jacobs, C. Peter Wagner, and many others in the NAR sphere have influenced the Body of Christ.

Geivett and Pivec have written a balanced book. They write without anger and without rancor. They give a fair portrayal of NAR teachings and practices, which they examine in light of the Scriptures.

Toward the end of the book one paragraph in particular seemed to leap out at me:

“Finally, we urge you to watch for signs in your congregation that some are attracted to NAR teachings and practices. We’ve learned that deliberate infiltration is not uncommon. Take care not to lend a platform to those with aberrant beliefs. Be especially vigilant on behalf of the young people in your church. And take care to vet any potential leaders for any affiliation they may have with the NAR.” [1]

Source Notes:
1. R. Doulglas Geivett and Holly Pivec, GOD’S SUPER APOSTLES, pg. 134

More on Holly Pivec’s excellent blog: http://www.spiritoferror.org/

Kris Vallotton and the “Mantle of Jesus Christ” / Bill Johnson on Corporate Anointing

Originally posted on CrossWise:

“…Not just the mantle of William Branham, how about the mantle of Jesus Christ?  That’s even a bigger one there…”

- Kris Vallotton, August 15, 2010

Kris Vallotton is Senior Associate Pastor of Bethel Church in Redding, California under Senior Pastor Bill Johnson.  The above quote of Vallotton follows an August 15, 2010 sermon of Bill Johnson titled, “The Real Jesus” (with complete context below).  Johnson had just spoken of his desire for a “corporate anointing” and Vallotton was making a few comments after this sermon.  The following YouTube video1 captures both Johnson and Vallotton (my understanding is this video is available at www.ibethel.tv if one registers at the site):

Here’s a portion of Johnson’s “word”:

“…Here’s what I’m believing for – I know it’s never happened; but, I know that it must before the end.  There must be, not just individuals – I’m thankful we have individuals…

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Herescope reviews Jonathan Welton’s chapter in The Physics of Heaven

[The following excerpt is from Herescope’s review of the Jonathan Welton contribution to The Physics of Heaven. You can link to the rest of the review at the end of what is posted here.]

According to Herescope:

Ironically, this chapter, “Authentic vs. Counterfeit” by Jonathan Welton,[2] proposes that Christians should pursue separating the true from the false in New Age Religion, and reclaim the truths that religion stole from the church. The chapter’s “most important point” is,

If there is a counterfeit, there is an authentic that we need to find and reclaim. Every time we see a masquerade, we need too look closely to properly discern what is being counterfeited, because a counterfeit is evidence that an authentic exists. (TPOH, 42)

“Resistors” and “Fearers”
To advance his bold thesis, Welton needs to discredit conservative Christian critics who question the legitimacy of such a reclamation project and therefore states, “The way that God moves in power looks a lot like the New Age, and this has scared many Christians away from the operating gifts of the Holy Spirit.”(TPOH, 45) So he breaks down the way religious people view the supernatural into 3 Groups—
1.Those who operate in the supernatural realm authentically (i.e., the signs and wonders crowd of the New Apostolic Reformation);
2.Those who operate in the supernatural realm fraudulently (i.e., New Agers, Buddhists, Hindus and Occultists); and
3.Those who view the supernatural realm skeptically.
Welton perceives Group 3 to be comprised of “fellow Christians who believe false doctrines regarding the operation of supernatural power.”(TPOH, 48)

click here for rest of Herescope review

The Increasing Weight of the Sin of Gluttony


This one got me right between the eyes.

Originally posted on CrossWise:

Some folks built like this
Built like that
Don’t you holler at me
Dontchoo call me fat
Ya know I’m built for comfort
I ain’t built for speed

So sings bluesman Taj Mahal in his rendition of the Willie Dixon tune usually associated with blues legend Howlin’ Wolf (Dixon had played bass in Wolf’s band).1 It is a somewhat playful and humorous song; however, the subject of gluttony is a serious one. In America the problem of overeating is increasing – along with the collective girth of the population in general, and the Church in particular.

This is going to be somewhat of a rant, rather than any sort of well-researched article. This issue has been on my mind for a while now; but, the idea to actually write this article came when I went to an Italian restaurant for lunch this past week.

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Tattoos and piercings have hidden prophetic messages from God, claims Doug Addison

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths. (2 Timothy 4:3-4)

At 15 seconds into the video, the young woman exclaims, “Who would have thought that tattoos and piercings could have hidden prophetic messages from God!”

Not me.

Doug Addison will speaking at an upcoming Elijah List conference. You can read more HERE.

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Elijah List speaker helps folks “understand their dreams, tattoos and piercings”…?

So Samuel did what the LORD said, and came to Bethlehem. And the elders of the city came trembling to meet him and said, “Do you come in peace?” (1 Samuel 16:4)

Unlike the elders who stood before Samuel the prophet, there will be no trembling when Doug Addison speaks at the upcoming Canadian Elijah List Conference–unless, that is, it comes from those trembling with laughter.

According to the Elijah List promo, Doug Addison “brings laughter, fun, and a unique prophetic style while empowering people to transform their lives, discover their destiny and understand their dreams, tattoos and piercings.” [1]

Addison is a “prophetic dream interpreter, speaker, writer, Life Coach, and stand-up comedian. His high energy prophetic messages have been shared on television, radio and the internet for over a decade.” [2]

In addition to Addison, the May 2015 Conference will feature Elijah List founder Steve Shultz, Patricia Bootsma, Darren Canning, and Joe and Bella Garcia.

The stated purpose of these regional Elijah List conferences is to bring “some of the best prophetic voices out there to encourage you in what God is saying for this year for your region and for the Body of Christ.” [3] (italics mine)

The God of the Bible is not saying anything through the dreams/piercings/tattoo interpretation of Doug Addison. Neither is he speaking through Steve Shultz, Chuck Pierce, Bill Johnson, Jonathan Welton, or many, many others.

True prophets like Samuel, Jeremiah, and Isaiah would probably be kicked out of places like Bethel Redding and the Elijah List conferences. No comedy from these Old Testament giants. Some biting satire, perhaps, but no amusing anecdotes.

I can’t see Bethel Redding leadership tolerating hard Truth. Not from men of God. Not from the Word of God. This video is an example of Bethel’s understanding of the prophetic–these are pleasing and pleasant popcorn “prophecies” popping up all over the place.

We are at the point where missionaries are needed for entire segments of the visible church. We have many who treat the House of God as if it were a circus.

Who say to the seers, “You must not see visions”;
And to the prophets, “You must not prophesy to us what is right,
Speak to us pleasant words,
Prophesy illusions.
“Get out of the way, turn aside from the path,
Let us hear no more about the Holy One of Israel.” (Isaiah 30:10-11)

“But to this one I will look,
To him who is humble and contrite of spirit,
and who trembles at My word. (Isaiah 66:2b)

Source Notes:
1. http://www.elijahlist.com/words/display_word.html?ID=14428
2. Ibid.
3. Ibid.

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Jonathan Welton’s gift of discernment of…human spirits?

Then Elisha prayed and said, “O LORD, I pray, open his eyes that he may see.” And the LORD opened the servant’s eyes and he saw; and behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha. (2 Kings 6:17)

Jonathan Welton is one of the contributors (along with Bill and Beni Johnson) to The Physics of Heaven, a book which seemingly serves as a roadmap to Christian entanglement with the New Age and Quantum mysticism.

While writing a booklet concerning The Physics of Heaven, I was fascinated to learn Jonathan Welton states, “I have found throughout Scripture at least 75 examples of things that the New Age has counterfeited, such as having a spirit guide, trances, meditation, auras, power objects, clairvoyance, clairaudience, and more. These actually belong to the church, but they have been stolen and cleverly repackaged.” [1]

Incredibly, Welton believes, “We need to begin to use [New Age] counterfeits as signposts. Every time a counterfeit shows up, take it as the Lord presenting you with an opportunity to reclaim . . . the Church’s stolen property.” [2]

This is an astounding lack of spiritual discernment.

And so, several days ago, I stumbled across this video, in which Welton has cast himself in the role of teaching discernment of spirits to others. Here are a few choice excerpts from the video:

Jonathan Welton has been described as a Seer, which Welton himself defines as “a high level prophetic individual who operates at a high level of discerning of spirits.” (4:50 in video)

Welton claims he can discern angelic, demonic, and even human spirits. “I can discern your spirit,” he tells host Sid Roth, and “peoples’ spirits in stores and in the streets.” (4:00 in video)

It’s Supernatural with Sid Roth has featured many biblically questionable individuals over the years. Roth seems particularly excited to have Welton on the show. Looking into the camera, Roth exudes, “After spending thirty days in the spirit realm, I want you to meet a man who can now switch on the ability to see into the invisible world.” (Beginning of video)

Then, Roth adds, “Learn how he uses this gift for emotional and physical healing and how he teaches others to turn on this gift.”

Teaches others to see into the spirit world?

Welton recounts how when he received his…gift…he saw fully into the spirit world for 30 days. He could see serpents “wrapped around certain buildings” and “demonic beings on top of certain buildings.” (5:00 in video)

Welton states he could spiritually discern, “If I went into a store I’d see objects stuck in people at times–swords, spears, arrows–and I didn’t understand what I was seeing.” (5:45)

In a worship service he could “see angels crying.” (5:57)

He can even tell which people walking down the street are Christians or unsaved! (6:33)

Then, after thirty days, this intense, constant experience stopped. Welton says the Lord told him, “In those thirty days I turned the gift on full blast so you would experience the full potential of this gift.” (start at 7:40)

This was because the Lord “wanted to teach me how to stir it up, how to activate it, how to turn it on and turn it off. (7:53)

Sid Roth looks into the camera: “The fact that he knows how to turn it on and turn the gift off–and he can mentor you…” (8:43)

Welton also reveals that he sees words over people, and sometimes written words in an object that is stuck in a person… (11:13)

He gives the example of a sword stuck in a woman’s back.

The Lord taught him “these objects had to do with physical healings.” Welton quotes Proverbs 12:18, and describes a lady who “looked like a pincushion, she had spears in the spirit that were sticking out in every direction about 8 to 10 feet and on each spear it had a word. It had fear, it had rejection, unforgiveness, bitterness…” (11:48)

Roth says the Welton seems to have seen in the spiritual what was happening in the physical. Welton readily agrees.


I don’t know Welton, who comes across as likeable and sincere. But this is not good. Not good at all. This is not the biblical gift of discernment of spirits.

Source Notes:
1. Jonathan Welton, Kindle location: 808
2. Ibid.

David takes the sword of Goliath

David said to Ahimelech, “Now is there not a spear or a sword on hand? For I brought neither my sword nor my weapons with me, because the king’s matter was urgent.” (1 Samuel 21:8)

Then the priest said, “The sword of Goliath the Philistine, whom you killed in the valley of Elah, behold, it is wrapped in a cloth behind the ephod; if you would take it for yourself, take it. For there is no other except it here.” And David said, “There is none like it; give it to me.” (1 Samuel 21:9)

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