Uncle Vern’s down home Wedding Cake commentary

You’re so happy? For goodness sake,

Forcing bad law on wedding cake

It ain’t celebration, it’s Freedom’s wake…*


*There goes Uncle Vern again. He reads his Bible, goes to church, and eats at potlucks. These activities are currently legal.

Published in: on April 8, 2015 at 4:56 pm  Leave a Comment  
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More on the “Quantum Christians”

Here is Herescope’s review of Chapter 7 of The Physics of Heaven, one of the most disturbing books ever to be introduced to the saints. Bill and Beni Johnson contributed chapters to the book, Bill Johnson’s personal assistant is a co-author, and Kris Vallotton wrote the Foreword.

Vallotton calls the book’s contributors “seers.” [1] In reality, these people may well serve to facilitate entrance into the New Age.

Read: http://herescope.blogspot.com/


1. Foreword of The Physics of Heaven

* I believe Al Dager first came up with the term Quantum Christians. Thanks, Craig at Crosswise blog.. http://www.mediaspotlight.org/pdfs/QuantumChristianityWeb.pdf

Published in: on April 7, 2015 at 8:46 pm  Leave a Comment  
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First it was a  terrible biking accident. Now she has learned she has invasive breast cancer. Go here to learn more: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=17194

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IHOP-KC promotes Sexaholics Anonymous, contemplative spirituality, Alcoholics Anonymous

Despite proclamations about the love and power of Christ, when all is said and done, the International House of Prayer offers onsite Alcoholics Anonymous, Sexaholics Anonymous, and Codependents Anonymous meetings to those who are in bondage.[1]

All churches and organizations associated with the New Apostolic Reformation are in error–but some far more than others.

IHOP-KC has even had its own “Twelve Steps Program Leader.” [2]

The 12 Step religion is the broad way Christ warns about. According to the A.A. Big Book, which is essentially the A.A. “Bible”:

We found that God does not make too hard terms with those who seek Him. To us, the Realm of the Spirit is broad, roomy, all inclusive; never exclusive or forbidding to those who earnestly seek. It is open, we believe, to all men. When, therefore, we speak to you of God, we mean your own conception of God.” (pg.46-47) (bold and italics mine)

Christ declares the opposite:

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat. (Matthew 7:13)

Equally disturbing, but less surprising, is the first thing offered to addicts on the IHOP-KC pastoral care Resource Page: Addiction & Grace, a book purporting to provide a “hopeful guide to freedom based on contemplative spirituality.”[3]

Contemplative spirituality?

According to gotquestions.org, “Contemplative spirituality is an extremely dangerous practice for any person who desires to live a biblical, God-centered life.”[4]

IHOP-KC’s pastoral support ministry, formerly called Foundations, is headed by Mike Bickle’s sister, Tracey Bickle.[5]

Pointing addicts toward contemplative spirituality is not surprising, as key  IHOP-KC leaders are deeply involved in these practices.[6] Contemplative prayer has even been listed as one of the “Core Values” of IHOP-KC, although this has since vanished from the internet.[7]

For those who do not know, contemplative prayer is not really prayer at all. It is essentially Eastern/New Age meditation disguised with Christianese terms and lingo. Eastern/New Age/contemplative teaches the person to empty the mind of thought and to enter what is known as the silence. It is here, in the silence, that spiritual deception occurs.

No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. (2 Corinthians 11:14)

Contemplative prayer can addle or alter theology. One need look no further than Bethel Redding or IHOP-KC to see the effect this can have.

While it is not surprising to see IHOP-KC promote dangerous contemplative practices (this is an old story), it is astounding to learn they are hosting 12 Step meetings. Alcoholics Anonymous, Sexaholics Anonymous, and many other “Anonymous” groups are part of the 12 Step belief system, a polytheistic religion where anything and everything can be defined as “god.”

A.A.’s history and theology make clear it is in opposition to the Bible.

Jesus said, “I am the way and the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.” (John 14:6)

That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun
That there is no one besides Me.
I am the LORD, and there is no other, (Isaiah 45:6)

In A.A. and other 12 Step groups, Christ is seen–at best–as but one “god” among many. Furthermore, with long term involvement in A.A., biblical understanding can become diluted, and Christians can subtly–and not so subtly–take  take on some of the trappings of this non-Christian belief system. Unfortunately, this has already happened to many, and is one of the  reasons why the Body of Christ is in so much trouble.

Solomon, the wisest man in the world, thought he was strong enough not to be spiritually weakened by associating with those who worshipped foreign gods. Solomon was wrong. (1 Kings 11:1-11)

The Lord warned Solomon. He also warns us–we are to come out and be separate. (2 Corinthians 6:14-17)

According to a long-term A.A. member in his speech to up and coming alcohol counselors, “While A.A. literature has used and continues to use the personal pronoun which describes the concept of a personal deity, a belief in this concept is by no means required. In fact, I am convinced that the greater a member’s years in A.A., the less important the nature of this Power becomes.” [8] (bold and italics mine)  This speech is now official A.A. literature and is distributed in pamphlet form.

Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them; (Ephesians 5:11)

Please do not misunderstand: This is not about isolating from the world. We must reach out to all unsaved people, and this includes addicts. But we must not be unevenly yoked with a spirituality that declares anything at all can be worshipped as “god.”

Can two walk together except they be agreed? (Amos 3:3)

The 12 Steps were given to A.A. co-founder Bill Wilson by a familiar spirit. Wilson, portrayed as a Christian by some, was in reality given over to spiritualism for decades. (Read Seances, Spirits, and 12 Steps)

Why would IHOP-KC  enter into spiritual alliance with Alcoholics Anonymous and other 12 Step groups? Perhaps is easier to wax eloquent about fidelity to the Christ of the  Bible than it is to actually obey Him. How much of the decision making in IHOP-KC comes from time spent in contemplative prayer?

That being said, I do not question the sincerity or care and concern by IHOP-KC for Christians with sexual struggles, traumas, eating disorders, and much more.

People deserve to know that many of us are free from alcohol and other bondages because of Christ alone. We did not need an A.A. Big Book because we have the Bible, the love of our King, and the fellowship of the saints. There are biblical fellowship groups like The Most Excellent Way out there–there is no need to become involved in an anti-biblical group or spirituality.

Tracey Bickle likens all the IHOP-KC pastoral care options to a  “banqueting table.” Unfortunately, at least two of those banquet choices, contemplative and 12 step spirituality, can also be likened to poison.**

Click here to read a short online booklet about the unholy history and nature of A.A.

Source Notes:
1. http://www.ihopkc.org/foundations/12steps/


Twelve-Step Programs: All programs meet at IHOPKC Blue Ridge Annex Building, located at 12404 Blue Ridge Boulevard, Grandview, MO. 64030

2. http://www.ihopkc.org/foundations/about

3. http://www.ihopkc.org/foundations/resources/


4. What is contemplative spirituality? http://www.gotquestions.org/contemplative-spirituality.html

5. http://www.ihopkc.org/foundations/about/


6. http://mywordlikefire.com/2011/10/28/mike-bickle-of-ihop-kc-instructs-followers-on-contemplative-prayer/

7. http://mywordlikefire.com/2011/12/09/contemplative-prayer-listed-under-ihop-kc-core-values/

8. aa.org/pdf/products/p41  amemberseyeviewofaa.pdf

**There are more unhealthy approaches in the IHOP-KC pastoral support repertoire. This article does not deal with SOZO and Theophostic Prayer.

They Got The Word!

Mississippi Mass Choir. The Joy of Lord.

The idols of Alcoholics Anonymous

Who has fashioned a god or cast an idol to no profit? (Isaiah 44:10)

The people in A.A. are doing the best they can with what they have been taught.

This is what they are NOT taught:

For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. (1 Corinthians 15:3-5)

This is what they are NOT taught:

Jesus said to him, “I am the way and the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.” (John 14:6)

This is what A.A. people ARE taught about “god”:

[The alcoholic] “may choose to think of his Inner Self, the miracle of growth, a tree, man’s wonderment at the physical universe, the structure of the atom, or mere mathematical infinity. Whatever form is visualized, the neophyte is taught that he must rely on it and, in his own way, to pray to the Power for strength.” [1]

The above definition of “god” comes from official A.A. literature.

In A.A. one often hears about alcoholism being a “spiritual disease.” It is more accurate to see Alcoholics Anonymous as the spiritual disease, because it has pointed millions away from the Christ of the Bible, and watered down the beliefs of the Christians who have become members.

A.A. is powerful in terms of public relations, weak in terms of treatment effectiveness, and unholy in its understanding of “god.” But the A.A. people don’t know this. They are working to gain or maintain sobriety, and they are doing what they have learned to do.

Many of us are sober because of Christ. We go to church. Some of us attend Bible based fellowship groups like The Most Excellent Way. This claim that A.A. is the most effective way/only way to get sober is a lie. The sad truth is, most do not get sober through A.A. Far worse, every person who designs an A.A. higher power of their own understanding will end up in hell.

So, what can we do? Well, when we speak with out A.A. friends, we can share the gospel message. They may have never heard it before. We can do this in many ways, but let’s directly proclaim the Good News:

How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher? (Romans 10:14)

One last thought. In A.A. there are people who call “Christ” their higher power, and with some it is the biblical Christ. But Christians in A.A. rationalize that it is okay for someone to worship a higher power for a time because that person will supposedly come to Christ sooner or later. This rationalization allows the Christian to stay in A.A., for A.A. itself has become an idol.

Very few find the biblical Christ in the A.A. religion.

The Bible is clear that the times of ignorance have passed. Paul, speaking to men in a city full of idols:

“Being then the children of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and thought of man.

“Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent,

because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead.”

Now when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some began to sneer, but others said, “We shall hear you again concerning this.”

So Paul went out of their midst.

But some men joined him and believed, among whom also were Dionysius the Areopagite and a woman named Damaris and others with them. (Acts 17:28-34)

Some sneered; some wanted to hear more; and some were saved.

But all heard. Can we do any less for our friends in Alcoholics Anonymous?

[Bonus: This small booklet about A.A.’s unholy foundations can be read online HERE… ]

Source Notes:
1. Jack Alexander, “Alcoholics Anonymous: Freed Slaves of Drink, Now They Free Others” (Saturday Evening Post, March 1, 1941). According to the A.A. website, A.A. World Services publishes the article in pamphlet format and sells about 22,000 of them each year; http://www.aa.org/lang/en/subpage.cfm?page=472.

Dominionists are on the move…and they mean business by Marsha West


The New Apostolic Reformation keeps growing. This 2011 Marsha West article is a good reminder why we should remain vigilant.

Originally posted on My Word Like Fire:

Once we have the apostles in place, we will then bring the intercessors and the prophets into the inner circle, and we will end up with the spiritual core we need to move ahead for retaking the dominion that is rightfully ours.”  — C. Peter Wagner

Until recently not many folks were aware of a man by the name of C. Peter Wagner.  But Wagner is quickly becoming a person of interest thanks largely to Christian Right (CR) becoming chummy with him and other high-level charismatic dominionists.   In the past couple of months much has been written on pro-family groups uniting of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) dominionists.  In fact it was the prominent American Family Association (AFA) that sponsored Governor Rick Perry’s August 2011 prayer rally The Response that included many NAR notables in leadership roles.   

The NAR’s purpose is to restore the office of Apostles and Prophets and advance the Kingdom of God.  According…

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Published in: on March 27, 2015 at 5:14 am  Leave a Comment  

“Pitiable, capitulating pro-family leaders, Part 2″ by Marsha West

Before the term pro-family was hijacked by liberals (evangelical was also hijacked) supporters were largely made up from conservative Protestants, Roman Catholics, Mennonites, Mormons, Muslims, and Jews, naming just a few. For the sake of the country, religious conservatives agreed to set aside their differences and pull together a grass roots movement of concerned citizens. These folks put their money where their mouth is in an all out effort to win elections. Their hope was that the politicians they elected would return America to “one nation under God.” Unfortunately, it didn’t much matter to pro-family leaders (LIE-celebs) which god their supporters bowed to as long as participants held conservative values and went to the polls.

For rest of article: http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/mwest/150326

Published in: on March 26, 2015 at 11:22 pm  Leave a Comment  
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About the “mantle” NAR’s Chuck Pierce gave to Glenn Beck

The New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) is weak on doctrine and lacking in wisdom, judgment, and discernment.

For some in this movement, that is an understatement: The Grand Poohbah of the NAR, C. Peter Wagner, holds to open theism. This is the belief that God might not have absolute foreknowledge of all things. [1] Apparently there are a few in the apostolic movement who “hold to the doctrine of Oneness,” and Wagner is okay with these (heretics) who reject Trinitarian understanding. [2]

From Bethel Redding leader Bill Johnson’s acceptance of kenosis to IHOP-KC’s Mike Bickle’s promotion of contemplative prayer, the New Apostolic Reformation leaders have brought much error into the church.

This brings us to NAR “prophet” Chuck Pierce, who ceremonially gave a mantle to Glenn Beck, a Mormon.

According to Holly Pivec, “So when Pierce presented a mantle to Beck, people in the audience–who regard Pierce as a prophet–understood that their prophet was conferring some type of prophetic status on Beck. This should trouble Christians. Why? Because a leading prophet in the NAR is recognizing a member of the Mormon church–a cult of Christianity, which rejects essential doctrines of the Christian faith– as a true messenger of God. A true prophet of God would do no such thing.” [3] (Read)

The reach and influence of the NAR is vast, and often unrecognized. In GOD’S SUPER-APOSTLES, authors Pivec and Geivett note, “In short, NAR is a global movement with an agenda to bring back apostles and prophets to the church–apostles like Peter and Paul and prophets like Moses and Elijah. NAR leaders claim that God always intended for apostles and prophets to rule the church…” [4]

The NAR is powerful, and thankfully does not rule the entire Body of Christ. But what have NAR leaders brought us? False eschatology, false visions, contemplative prayer (IHOP-KC and Bethel Redding), twisted doctrine, introduction to quantum mysticism (Bill Johson, Mark Chironna), occult Kabbalah (Pierce), and mantles to nowhere.

Bonus: What is Kabbalah ?: http://www.gotquestions.org/Kabbalah.html

Source Notes:
1. C. Peter Wagner, The Changing Church: How God is leading His Church into the future, pg. 154
2. Ibid., pg. 157
3. http://www.spiritoferror.org/2015/03/nar-prophet-chuck-pierce-gives-mantle-to-mormon-glenn-beck/5337
4.  R. Douglass Geivett and Holly Pivec, GOD’S SUPER-APOSTLES, pg.4

NAR Kabbalist Chuck Pierce “mantles” Mormon Glenn Beck

The woman who made this video not only talks about New Apostolic Reformation “apostle” Chuck Pierce giving a mantle (?) to Glenn Beck, but shows the Pierce/Kabbalah connection as well.

Bonus: What is Kabbalah? http://www.gotquestions.org/Kabbalah.html

Check out the Psalm 86 Channel on YouTube, and here is her blog: http://reflectionsfromthewall.net


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