International House of Prayer Gobble Fest Leftovers

I know. You went way overboard at the Gobble Fest.

But that was yesterday.

Try the sandwich. Soup is good, too.

Early Mike Bickle and more  — “The core team of Mike Bickle, Bob Jones, John Paul Jackson, Rick Joyner, and Paul Cain became the primary prophetic celebrities.”

Francis Chan again speaking at IHOP-KC Onething conference??

IHOP-KC’s Mike Bickle on fake and “genuine” manifestations of the Holy Spirit

IHOP Openly Promotes Contemplative Prayer, Visualization 

International House of Prayer Gobble Fest

Try the turkey.

 Catholic Church participating in IHOP-KC Onething 2015 convention

IHOP-KC’s Mike Bickle–powerful evangelist for contemplative prayer

Like Priscilla Shirer, IHOP-KC has taught people to imagine themselves as characters in Bible stories

IHOP-KC’s Mike Bickle on fake and “genuine” Holy Spirit manifestations

Mike Bickle tells the IHOP-KC students, “I know that I know the value of genuine manifestations. The real. Again I’ve seen, and I’ve had it happen to me, people thrashed around, I’ve seen people thrown against walls, and across rooms. I’ve seen a lot of fake, but I’ve seen a lot of real.” (5:15 in video)

Incredibly, Mike Bickle says he does not allow fake manifestations of the Holy Spirit up on the platform, but “I will allow the fake in the room because I so believe in the genuine.” (6:25)


Francis Chan and Southern Baptist Convention President Ronnie Floyd are scheduled to speak at IHOP-KC’s Onething convention in late December 2015.  Because of Floyd’s participation, many SBC members will be exposed via the internet to the IHOP-KC organization. Catholic Matt Maher will be one of the worship leaders.

This is far more than an International House of Prayer public relations victory. This is the growing ecumenism that is contributing to the rise of the false church.

In the above video, Bickle encourages the young people to seek genuine manifestations of the Holy Spirit, while warning that 80% of what occurs is fake. He discourages those he calls “auto-manifesters” and “auto-screamers.” Significantly, and unfortunately, the danger of demonic deception and manifestation is never addressed.

Manifestations, signs and wonders. Like Bill Johnson of Bethel Redding, Mike Bickle continues to emphasize a “bells-and-whistles” theology.

Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment.  (James 3:1)

As Holly Pivec points out, Bickle has misinterpreted scripture, which has served to further the bells-and-whistles agenda. [1]

Please watch the entire video, as I have by no means transcribed every relevant statement. In his message to the IHOP-KC students, Bickle is essentially trying to get the cat back into the bag. He is addressing abuses, while defending some “manifestions” as genuine.

Bickle states, “I’ve experienced many different times of manifestations personally.” (2:42 in video)

“I know that I know the value of genuine manifestations. The real. Again I’ve seen, and I’ve had it happen to me, people thrashed around, I’ve seen people thrown against walls, and across rooms. I’ve seen a lot of fake, but I’ve seen a lot of real.” (5:15)

So…people getting thrown across rooms is the Holy Spirit?

“…it’s not all fake and the genuine is in our midst, and I will allow a whole lot of hamburger helper to allow the genuine to take place. I will not promote it but I will allow it, because the genuine is so important to the Kingdom of God.” (6:04)

As noted, Mike Bickle says he does not allow fake manifestations of the Holy Spirit up on the platform, but “I will allow the fake in the room because I so believe in the genuine.” (6:25)

And, of course, in hypercharismania, a good manifestation is sometimes the “holy laughter”:

“I’ve had times when the Lord’s come on me and I’ve laughed and I could not stop. A few times it was really embarrassing because I was in a situation where it would have been better if I could have stopped.” (2:59)

It would be far better for the Body of Christ if Chan and Floyd canceled their Onething speaking engagements, but it is not likely. Chan, after all, has already been a Onething speaker in 2013. Nor will Catholic Matt Maher be canceled. Mike Bickle, like many contemplatives, seems spiritually unable or unwilling to discern the vast chasm between Catholic theology and the Truth of the Bible.

If you want to further investigate these Catholic and contemplative leanings  click here.

Source Notes:


[This video is twice the length as the one covered in 2013]


Southern Baptist Convention President to speak at IHOP-KC’s “Onething” gathering?

Southern Baptist Convention President Ronnie Floyd will be speaking in December at Onething, the International House of Prayer’s annual celebration/convention. So will Francis Chan–for the second time. Onething takes place December 28-31, 2015.

Catholic Matt Maher will be one of the worship leaders. The IHOP Onething Worship and Leaders page notes that Maher played at the World Meeting of Families, which marked “Pope Francis’ first visit to the U.S. this year.”

Ronnie Floyd’s appearance at Onething potentially opens Southern Baptist members to IHOP-KC influence . How many SBC members will be watching Onething online because Floyd will be speaking there? As noted in Francis Chan as IHOP-KC’s public relations agent?, Chan’s 2013 participation in Onething was a public relations bonanza for IHOP-KC.

It should be stated that there are people in IHOP-KC who are saved. Those who have broad-brushed everyone in IHOP-KC as being heretics or apostates are in in error. Many of the young people who come to IHOP-KC are already Christians, and they want the hands-on experience that IHOP-KC seemingly offers.

Should we be concerned with IHOP-KC’s teachings? Yes. Should Christians accept or participate in IHOP-KC? We should not.

IHOP-KC is built on a contemplative foundation. Because of this, much deception has occurred. It is part of the New Apostolic Reformation (more on this in Part Two), and leader Mike Bickle, like many other contemplatives, is seemingly unconcerned about the profound differences between Catholic theology and that of the Bible.

This spiritual blindness makes sense, given Bickle’s enchantment with the long-dead Catholic contemplatives who helped spread this unholy meditative practice. Two of the most influential Catholic contemplatives were (are) Teresa of Avila and John of the Cross. Incredibly, Bickle states that he wants Father Thomas Dubay’s Fire Within, a book about these two mystics, to “be the manual for IHOP-KC.” (Read)

End Part One

To Be Continued

Part Two will cover IHOP-KC’s false teachings, Catholic leanings, NAR ideology, and long term contemplative influence.



Catholic Track at Onething 2012

Charismatic Catholic Oreste Pesare is an Empowered21 Global Leader. E21, as I am growing tired of saying, has served as a public relations bonanza for the New Apostolic Reformation. The NAR, I believe, will increasingly merge with Catholicism. Here, from 2012, was IHOP-KC Mike Bickle’s attempt to bring the Catholics into his Onething conference. (Fortunately, Catholic participation was canceled). Bickle is one of the most powerful NAR adherents.

“Better gear up for the 5 major changes coming to the Church” by Marsha West

[You can find many other well researched articles at Berean Research.]

According to Marsha West:

John Burton has written a piece entitled “Ancient and Emerging: 5 Major Changes Coming to the Church.”  Before you get all excited, or maybe even concerned over those changes, you should know a bit more about Burton.  As it turns out he’s a “prophet” in the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) movement.

According to his blog, John Burton, he “has been developing and leading ministries for over 20 years and is a sought out teacher, prophetic messenger and revivalist. Burton has authored ten books, has appeared on Christian television and radio and directed one of the primary internships at the International House of Prayer (IHOP) in Kansas City.”

That Burton was associated with IHOP-KC could only mean that he has served under IHOP’s Pied Piper Mike Bickle.  I spent quite a bit of time researching Bickle for a piece I wrote and discovered his strong ties to the NAR or what some refer to as Dominionism.  Also identified was his involvement with the Kansas City Prophets (KCP).  According to Pastor Ken Silva, the KCP:

brought grandiose claims that a ‘new breed’ of super prophets were beginning to arrive on planet earth who would change the world forever. These so-called prophets were a group of men that coalesced around a church known as the Kansas City Fellowship, pastored by Mike Bickle, that attracted a following of other likeminded churches in that region. (More on the KCP here)

It gets worse.  Mike Bickle believes that God speaks to him in an audible voice.  But here’s the kicker.  He has visited heaven – twice.  On one visit he told false teacher Bob Jones:

I stood in this room and it had…clouds, it was a room only maybe 20 by 20 or 30. It was a little room. It had clouds in the bottom, on the top and the walls…I stood there, I was at the Lord’s left hand, and I stood there, this was not a dream, this was as real as life here…I know it wasn’t a dream or a vision… (There’s more to the story  here)

I included Bickle’s background and a snippet of the tall tale he spun on his alleged visit to heaven to highlight the fact that he’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

So here’s my question: why is John Burton proud of his association with a false prophet who’s the main man at IHOP-KC?  IHOP –KC is viewed by many mainstream scholars as a cult because it is a “false, unorthodox, extremist” sect of Christianity (

On his blog Burton calls himself a “prophetic messenger and revivalist.” Revival?  What revival?  There’s no sign of any sort of “revival” in America or any place else (except an occult revival), so the “revival” the so-called prophet refers to is……where?

Before I get to the 5 major changes “Prophet” John B predicts, those of you who are unfamiliar with the nuts and bolts of the NAR should know what we’re dealing with. Over the years it has had many handles such as Kingdom Now; Latter Rain; Joel’s Army; Manifest Sons of God – they keep changing the name as if this will allow them to keep their heretical teachings hidden.

What is the goal of the NAR loons leaders?  To transform society into the kingdom of God on earth.

How do they hope to accomplish this lofty goal?  By taking control of various aspects of society.  (Here’s the plan)

Apologetics Index describes it as a:

dominionist movement which asserts that God is restoring the lost offices of church governance, namely the offices of Prophet and Apostle.

Leading figures in this seemingly loosely organized movement claim that these prophets and apostles alone have the power and authority to execute God’s plans and purposes on earth. They believe they are laying the foundation for a global church, governed by them.

They place a greater emphasis on dreams, visions and extra-biblical revelation than they do on the Bible, claiming that their revealed teachings and reported experiences (e.g. trips to heaven, face-to-face conversations with Jesus, visits by angels) can not be proven by the ‘old’ Scripture. (emphasis added )

So, keeping John Burton’s background in mind—especially the part about his affiliation with IHOP-KC– here’s what this so-called prophetic messenger revealed about the future:

I call this the ancient and emerging church. Ancient because it’s rooted in scripture; emerging because the biblical structure has been largely forsaken. What will this ancient and emerging church look like? Here’s just a small peek into a grand shift in the structure of the church:

1. Services will become more like prayer meetings. One of the greatest indictments on the church today is that prayer is not the driving force. Today, people tend to choose churches based on the appeal of the teaching and the worship instead of the fervency of prayer. If the church was a house of teaching, or a house of worship, that would make sense, but it’s not. The church is a house of prayer for all nations. Every person in the church will function as a burning intercessor and the services will be marked by this unified groan of fiery prayer.

2. Personal need will give way to personal mission. Today, churches are often more like organic, socially driven hospitals. People tend to use the church as a way to meet their personal needs instead of serving it as a minister of God. This is going to change. Of course, there will still be personal ministry and true needs will be addressed.

However, instead of the church functioning as a hospital, it will once again function as a mission-driven military. The mission will take precedence. The saints will be equipped for service, not for personal survival. In this ancient and emerging model, their will be MASH units that will take very good care of the wounded with the primary purpose of getting the soldier back into battle. Apostles will again lead with governmental authority and pastors will be seen as the main leader less and less as they focus more on shepherding and less on primary leadership.

3. Teaching will be minimized while instruction is emphasized. Teaching is mostly for personal edification while instruction is mostly for corporate assignments. Today, most churches focus on teaching principles of scripture, providing truths that will help Believers navigate through their lives and giving nuggets of biblical info. While there will still be important Bible teaching, apostolic instruction will emerge as a necessary new ministry.

There is enough Bible teaching online, on CDs, in books and on video to turn every one of us into personal spiritual giants. We need to take it upon ourselves to grow. What is lacking, however, is apostolic leaders, military commanders who give instruction and assignments to a ready army. Teaching is personal growth-based while instruction is a call to corporate action for the sake of mission fulfillment.

An example of apostolic instruction is this: The apostolic leader gives a corporate assignment for everybody in the church to fast for a week and then show up together to prayer walk through the city streets. It’s a corporate call to action versus biblical study. It’s mission focused versus personal growth focused. Personal growth will be largely our responsibility between services so we can be ready to respond to the corporate instruction where we will receive our assignments.

4. We will gather together most days of the week. The 24/7 church will again emerge as the church drives culture instead of reacting to culture. Cares of life will lose their power as we simplify our lives and put corporate prayer and mission ahead of most everything else.

This may be the most challenging change for Christians. Today, Sundays are the days to set aside for corporate worship while we give precedence to our ‘normal lives.’ In The Coming Church, the very reason we live will be to pray on fire together every day, receive apostolic assignments and then move out into our lives as kingdom ambassadors. It wouldn’t be surprising if a tithe of our time is what became the standard. Two to three hours a day, whether it’s in the morning, afternoon or evening, or even in the late night hours, will be given by every believer to praying on site together with others, ministering and giving ourselves to intercession-fueled kingdom ministry. Of course, much of what we have been giving ourselves to will have to be eliminated so we have the time necessary to devote.

5. Worship will be supernaturally driven. There is a new sound coming to worship, and it’s not simply a new style. There is a supernatural, otherworldly groan of intercessory worship that will explode out of the entire body as a new breed of trembling worship leaders lead the way into the shock and awe of the glory of God. We will no longer simply sit in a pew or stand with a raised hand while a familiar worship song is sung.

The prophetic, groaning sounds of Holy Spirit facilitated worship will make it normal to shake and fall to our faces as we cry Holy! The natural, logical sing-a-longs will be no more. We will have a hard time standing as God’s Shekinah and Kabod glory resides in his church. Worship teams will practice less and pray in the Spirit with tears in their eyes more.

Of course, this is an extremely limited glance into the many, many changes that are coming. I wanted to share this to provoke you to preparation. There is much that you and I enjoy in the church, or that is comfortable to us, that we will have to let go. Again, the coming church will be troubling and shocking, but it will result in the power and life that we have been crying out for.

God is about to answer that cry.

This is…..nauseating.  My head is spinning.  Seems the Church is in for some BIG changes, at least according to “Prophet” John B.  Notice that the changes he purports would empower a few and turn the rest of us into mere puppets.  Sound familiar?  The message he’s sending is that we mustn’t hold to God’s sacred Word as our final authority.  No.  We must abide in what those who are supposedly hearing from God tell us.  I mean, really?  Coming from someone with his decidedly unbiblical theology it’s pretty easy to figure out where this rubbish came from.

Hint: The Evil One

We are not to fear evil, brethren.  We are not to back away from it.  We are not to cower in the corner.  We are commanded to:

Armor of God Be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might.  Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil.  For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.  Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm Stand therefore, having fastened on the belt of truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, and, as shoes for your feet, having put on the readiness given by the gospel of peace.  In all circumstances take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming darts of the evil one;  and take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God,  praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints,  and also for me, that words may be given to me in opening my mouth boldly to proclaim the mystery of the gospel… Ephesians 6:10-19  (emphasis added)

I’ll close with this admonition: Stand against the schemes of the devil!


Dominionism and the Rise of Western Imperialism by Sarah Leslie

Dominionist are on the move…and they mean business by Marsha West 

Research Sites:


Deception in the Church

Apologetics Index

Copyright by 2015 by Marsha West.  All rights reserved

IHOP-KC promotes Sexaholics Anonymous, contemplative spirituality, Alcoholics Anonymous

Despite proclamations about the love and power of Christ, when all is said and done, the International House of Prayer offers onsite Alcoholics Anonymous, Sexaholics Anonymous, and Codependents Anonymous meetings to those who are in bondage.[1]

All churches and organizations associated with the New Apostolic Reformation are in error–but some far more than others.

IHOP-KC has even had its own “Twelve Steps Program Leader.” [2]

The 12 Step religion is the broad way Christ warns about. According to the A.A. Big Book, which is essentially the A.A. “Bible”:

We found that God does not make too hard terms with those who seek Him. To us, the Realm of the Spirit is broad, roomy, all inclusive; never exclusive or forbidding to those who earnestly seek. It is open, we believe, to all men. When, therefore, we speak to you of God, we mean your own conception of God.” (pg.46-47) (bold and italics mine)

Christ declares the opposite:

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat. (Matthew 7:13)

Equally disturbing, but less surprising, is the first thing offered to addicts on the IHOP-KC pastoral care Resource Page: Addiction & Grace, a book purporting to provide a “hopeful guide to freedom based on contemplative spirituality.”[3]

Contemplative spirituality?

According to, “Contemplative spirituality is an extremely dangerous practice for any person who desires to live a biblical, God-centered life.”[4]

IHOP-KC’s pastoral support ministry, formerly called Foundations, is headed by Mike Bickle’s sister, Tracey Bickle.[5]

Pointing addicts toward contemplative spirituality is not surprising, as key  IHOP-KC leaders are deeply involved in these practices.[6] Contemplative prayer has even been listed as one of the “Core Values” of IHOP-KC, although this has since vanished from the internet.[7]

For those who do not know, contemplative prayer is not really prayer at all. It is essentially Eastern/New Age meditation disguised with Christianese terms and lingo. Eastern/New Age/contemplative teaches the person to empty the mind of thought and to enter what is known as the silence. It is here, in the silence, that spiritual deception occurs.

No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. (2 Corinthians 11:14)

Contemplative prayer can addle or alter theology. One need look no further than Bethel Redding or IHOP-KC to see the effect this can have.

While it is not surprising to see IHOP-KC promote dangerous contemplative practices (this is an old story), it is astounding to learn they are hosting 12 Step meetings. Alcoholics Anonymous, Sexaholics Anonymous, and many other “Anonymous” groups are part of the 12 Step belief system, a polytheistic religion where anything and everything can be defined as “god.”

A.A.’s history and theology make clear it is in opposition to the Bible.

Jesus said, “I am the way and the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.” (John 14:6)

That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun
That there is no one besides Me.
I am the LORD, and there is no other, (Isaiah 45:6)

In A.A. and other 12 Step groups, Christ is seen–at best–as but one “god” among many. Furthermore, with long term involvement in A.A., biblical understanding can become diluted, and Christians can subtly–and not so subtly–take  take on some of the trappings of this non-Christian belief system. Unfortunately, this has already happened to many, and is one of the  reasons why the Body of Christ is in so much trouble.

Solomon, the wisest man in the world, thought he was strong enough not to be spiritually weakened by associating with those who worshipped foreign gods. Solomon was wrong. (1 Kings 11:1-11)

The Lord warned Solomon. He also warns us–we are to come out and be separate. (2 Corinthians 6:14-17)

According to a long-term A.A. member in his speech to up and coming alcohol counselors, “While A.A. literature has used and continues to use the personal pronoun which describes the concept of a personal deity, a belief in this concept is by no means required. In fact, I am convinced that the greater a member’s years in A.A., the less important the nature of this Power becomes.” [8] (bold and italics mine)  This speech is now official A.A. literature and is distributed in pamphlet form.

Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them; (Ephesians 5:11)

Please do not misunderstand: This is not about isolating from the world. We must reach out to all unsaved people, and this includes addicts. But we must not be unevenly yoked with a spirituality that declares anything at all can be worshipped as “god.”

Can two walk together except they be agreed? (Amos 3:3)

The 12 Steps were given to A.A. co-founder Bill Wilson by a familiar spirit. Wilson, portrayed as a Christian by some, was in reality given over to spiritualism for decades. (Read Seances, Spirits, and 12 Steps)

Why would IHOP-KC  enter into spiritual alliance with Alcoholics Anonymous and other 12 Step groups? Perhaps is easier to wax eloquent about fidelity to the Christ of the  Bible than it is to actually obey Him. How much of the decision making in IHOP-KC comes from time spent in contemplative prayer?

That being said, I do not question the sincerity or care and concern by IHOP-KC for Christians with sexual struggles, traumas, eating disorders, and much more.

People deserve to know that many of us are free from alcohol and other bondages because of Christ alone. We did not need an A.A. Big Book because we have the Bible, the love of our King, and the fellowship of the saints. There are biblical fellowship groups like The Most Excellent Way out there–there is no need to become involved in an anti-biblical group or spirituality.

Tracey Bickle likens all the IHOP-KC pastoral care options to a  “banqueting table.” Unfortunately, at least two of those banquet choices, contemplative and 12 step spirituality, can also be likened to poison.**

Click here to read a short online booklet about the unholy history and nature of A.A.

Source Notes:

Twelve-Step Programs: All programs meet at IHOPKC Blue Ridge Annex Building, located at 12404 Blue Ridge Boulevard, Grandview, MO. 64030



4. What is contemplative spirituality?




8.  amemberseyeviewofaa.pdf

**There are more unhealthy approaches in the IHOP-KC pastoral support repertoire. This article does not deal with SOZO and Theophostic Prayer.

New Apostolic Reformation in your church?

I have just finished reading GOD’S SUPER-APOSTLES, by R. Douglas Geivett and Holly Pivec. The book is important enough that I am reading it again before I write a review.

The Body of Christ has been greatly affected by the New Apostolic Reformation and its advocates, even when this term is not recognized. Mike Bickle of International House of Prayer, Bill Johnson of Bethel Redding, Chuck Pierce, Cindy Jacobs, C. Peter Wagner, and many others in the NAR sphere have influenced the Body of Christ.

Geivett and Pivec have written a balanced book. They write without anger and without rancor. They give a fair portrayal of NAR teachings and practices, which they examine in light of the Scriptures.

Toward the end of the book one paragraph in particular seemed to leap out at me:

“Finally, we urge you to watch for signs in your congregation that some are attracted to NAR teachings and practices. We’ve learned that deliberate infiltration is not uncommon. Take care not to lend a platform to those with aberrant beliefs. Be especially vigilant on behalf of the young people in your church. And take care to vet any potential leaders for any affiliation they may have with the NAR.” [1]

Source Notes:
1. R. Doulglas Geivett and Holly Pivec, GOD’S SUPER APOSTLES, pg. 134

More on Holly Pivec’s excellent blog:

Contemplative Dana Candler speaks at IHOP-KC 2014 Onething

Dana Candler is speaking at IHOP-KC Onething 2014 as this is being written. She is speaking about fasting. But, like many IHOP leaders and teachers, Candler is fully committed to contemplative prayer. This is unfortunate, because contemplative prayer is essentially Eastern/New Age meditation coated with Christian terminology.

Dana Candler has written, “Contemplative prayer is the way into the Ocean of Divine Love. It is the way that this fire of intimacy ignites within our being. In this love communion, the tremendous experience of God in the inner man takes place. Until this inward fire is ignited, stewarded, and released within us, we will walk as dead men. For we are only alive in the realm of love.” [3] (Italics Candler’s)

Contemplative prayer, Candler has written, “is the great missing element of the prayer ministry in the Church today: touching the very core of what the New Covenant is about. This very reality brings the highest transformation in this age.” [4]

What Candler has unknowingly asserted is that the gospel is not enough–we are “dead men” until we experience the “transformation” through contemplative prayer. She, of course, would not see it this way at all. To the contemplatives, this deceptive meditative state is what Jesus intended for us all along.

Contemplative prayer is foundational to IHOP-KC. click here for more info and source notes

Reader: Candler spoke at Session 7 but as of yet her session has not been put up on the Onething 2014 site.

Reinhard Bonnke replaces Joyce Meyer at IHOP-KC Onething 2014

Describing him as “one of the most powerful evangelists of all time,” an IHOP-KC communication states, “We are thrilled to announce that Reinhard Bonnke will be joining us for Onething 2014!” [1]

Bonnke is the hoped for high-recognition replacement for the departed Joyce Meyers, who canceled due to “some unforeseeable personal circumstances.” [2]

Source Note 1

Source Note 2

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