A.A. co-founder’s comment about his “terrific heresy” from Christian point of view

“No blind faith either, for it was fortified by the consciousness of the presence of God. Despair had turned into utter security. Darkness was banished by cosmic light. For sure I’d been born again.” (Bill W., My First 40 Years, pg. 47)

No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. (2 Corinthians 11:14)

According to author Mel B., “[Wilson's] was clearly a kind of ‘born-again’ experience, but he did not think adherence to the Christian religion was a prerequisite for such an event in one’s life. ‘Christ is, of course, the leading figure to me,’ he wrote to an A.A. member. ‘Yet I have never been able to receive complete assurance that He was one hundred percent God. I seem to be just as comfortable with the figure of ninety-nine percent. I know that from a Christian point of view this is a terrific heresy.’” (Mel B., New Wine, pg. 87-88) (bold mine)

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Mark Chironna’s New Age/Quantum Mysticism at Bethel Redding Conference

“Will faith in God’s Word become a thing of the past as ‘science’ replaces faith? A growing number of church figures have directly or indirectly introduced quantum physics with its New Age implications into their teachings and writings.” –Warren B. Smith, Another Jesus Calling, pg. 103

In 2012 the book, The Physics of Heaven, was released. Shocking in its enthusiasm for quantum physics/quantum mysticism, and in its lack of discernment about New Age practices, the book has the approval and participation of Bethel Church of Redding’s movers and shakers. Bethel leader Bill Johnson contributed a chapter to the book, as did his wife, Beni Johnson. The Physics of Heaven is co-authored by Judy Franklin, Bill Johnson’s personal assistant. The foreword is written by Kris Vallotton, Senior Associate Leader at Bethel.

As disturbing as The Physics of Heaven is, at least the book serves as a warning that Bill Johnson and Bethel (and others) are heading toward a New Age/quantum mysticism understanding of God. [1]

Before we get to Mark Chironna and the quantum heresy he spewed out during a Bethel conference–with the full approval of Bill Johnson–let us briefly define terms.

The New Age: What does the New Age believe? According to Ray Yungen, “Everything that exists, seen or unseen, is made up of energy—tiny particles of vibrating energy, atoms, molecules, protons, etc. All is energy. That energy, they believe, is God, and therefore, all is God. They believe that since we are all part of this ‘God-energy,’ then we, too, are God. God is not seen as a Being that dwells in heaven, but as the universe itself.” [2]

Quantum spirituality or quantum mysticism: This is a spiritual interpretation of quantum physics. It is favored by the New Age because it seems to demonstrate that everything is interconnected at an unseen, sub-atomic level. Thus, New Agers use it as “proof” we are all One.

All is One? Everything is connected?

Warren B. Smith notes the New Age “is already heralding quantum physics as a ‘scientific’ basis that God is not only transcendent but also immanent–‘in’ everyone and everything.” [3]

But God is not “in” everyone. Mankind is not One with God. We know this from the Scriptures.

However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. (Romans 8:9)

The only people with God in them are those who know the biblical Christ as Lord and Savior–those who have been born again. In terms of the universe, earth, and nature, God is as separate from His creation as He is from unredeemed mankind. To research this theological battleground further, click here.

Through The Physics of Heaven, and the quantum teaching of Mark Chironna at the Bethel conference, Bill Johnson has furthered the assault on the biblical understanding of God.

The teaching given by Mark Chironna at Bethel Church in Redding California during the 2012 Piercing The Darkness Prophetic Conference was titled, “If it wants to happen, it needs to be spoken.” Chironna promoted quantum principles not only as proof that we are all connected, but also to further his speak-it-into-existence Word of Faith heresy.

At one point Chironna states, “How did that water turn into wine? Jesus talked it into existence.” Does the Bible state this? No.

You can hear the whole thing right here: Fighting For The Faith Start listening in the second hour of the show, at approximately 63 minutes and 15 seconds. Host Chris Rosebrough offered much correction, acknowledging that it was like herding heretical cats–so much heresy scattering in all directions.

Apparently relying on the scholarship of a now deceased Anglican, Chironna made a number of references to the New Age, telling his audience Christians were the only ones who could truly call themselves New Agers. (70 minute mark to 70 minutes and 45 seconds)

According to Chironna:

[Jesus seemingly says] “New Age of the Spirit.” (86 minutes 47 seconds)

The woman at the well “has received an impartation which has put her into the New Age.” (85 minutes 34 seconds)

Why all these New Age references? This is a demonic desensitization, pure and simple. Bethel is being prepared for quantum mysticism and New Age practices. This is not ultimately about Chironna, but the forces in Ephesians 6:12.

That being said, consider how New Age-esque Chironna continues to sound here:

98:55: “This leap into the Age of the Spirit is marked by a few things. …It’s marked by a shift in our interior identity. Something changes inside us about the way we perceive ourselves. …When you change the way you perceive yourself, you change. And when you change the world is for grabs and the future is now about what wants to emerge that’s been waiting for the shift to take place in me.”

Chironna then begins his introduction of quantum mysticism:

99:55: And this leap is not just marked by a shift in our interior identity, it’s also marked by an awareness that everything in creation is connected. Everything is connected. Say everything is connected.” [Audience dutifully repeats] (emphasis mine)

100:15: “And it’s connected at deep interpenetrating levels, at a sub-atomic dimension. Our problem is we walk in the illusion of separation. But we are not separate. We are connected. When Paul says we are all one body in Christ in Galatians 4, literally in the Greek it’s we’re all one person.” (emphasis mine)

101 minutes and three seconds: Chironna then uses a talk given by a British quantum physicist as proof that everything in the universe is connected. The scientist apparently rubbed a diamond and stated that this friction at a sub-atomic level this was affecting the molecular movement of the farthest known star, five billion light years away. Why? Because everything is interconnected…

And then, horribly, Chironna explains that Jesus could heal people from a distance because of quantum principles! (Luke 7:1-10, Matthew 8:5-10, John 4:46-54) He seems perhaps to have combined two healings, but most of us are familiar with the story of the faithful centurion.

102 minutes and 40 seconds: “So when Jesus says I’ll go with you to heal your son and the centurion servant says you don’t have to go. You can stand right where you are. I’m a man under authority. I understand authority. You don’t have to come into my house. All you need to do is stand right here and influence things at a distance because everything’s connected in your world in a way I understand in mine. Just speak the word and it’ll take place because it’s all connected.” (emphasis mine)

Chironna has just reduced the centurion’s faith and Christ’s power down to their supposedly common understanding of manipulating quantum spiritual principles.

103 minutes and 19 seconds: “There’s a shift in our interior identity, there’s gotta be a fundamental shift to where we stop seeing everything as separated and disconnected and start operating in the awareness everything is connected. Everything is connected. You start acting as if you’re already connected in your future and stuff will start lining up in a way you never expected it to before.”

2 hours 5 minutes and 10 seconds: “That’s why it’s so important to soak.” (Soaking is a form of anti-biblical meditation).

Remember the story about Elijah praying for rain? Elijah sent his servant to look out at the sea, to see if clouds had appeared.

He said to his servant, “Go up now, look toward the sea.” So he went up and looked and said, “There is nothing.” And he said, “Go back” seven times. (1 Kings 18:43)

Blasphemously, Mark Chironna gives Elijah a quantum response, with a rebuke to the servant for reporting that nothing has appeared. At 2 hours, 21 minutes, 17 seconds Chironna dares to say:

“Elijah says, ‘You dummy! In the quantum physical world they have proven there is no such thing as nothing. Because the observer is influencing the observed and creation is moving in response to what I’m intending to bring about.'”

2 hours,26 minutes: “”God didn’t make it rain.”

Near the end of his blasphemous message, Chironna tells his listeners, “If something is shifting inside you you’ve already heard from heaven. You already know what wants to emerge. And if it wants to happen you need to speak it into existence.” (2 hours, 29 minutes, 45 seconds) (emphasis mine)

But following these teachings will not result in hearing from heaven, but from hell.

Nor has Bill Johnson bothered to correct this blasphemy. Chironna’s conference teaching is still for sale at the Bethel Redding store. https://shop.ibethel.org/products/piercing-the-darkness-february-2012-complete-set (scroll down to Session 7)

Can two walk together except they be agreed? (Amos 3:3)

End Part One

Warning Christians about A.A. at upcoming church service

“Have you ever noticed how a church that uses A.A. is never quite the same again?” — Laura the missionary, 2008

But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed! (Galatians 1:8-9)

We are grateful to have been invited to speak at a church service in Nevada about A.A. To be more specific, we will be sharing (biblically) why Christians should have nothing to do with Alcoholics Anonymous, at least in terms of participation. We will go over the anti-biblical beginnings and formation of the 12 Step program, correct the mythological/nonexistent “Christian” origin of A.A. claimed by author Dick B. and others, and take a look at success rates and alternatives, disease vs. sin, and much else.

There are many of us now who know A.A. is hostile to Christ. It is not for us. May the Truth continue to reach His people.

Thank you Pastor John, for this opportunity.

More information about this in a few days.

“The Prosperity Priestess and the pied piper of IHOP” by Marsha West

Joyce Meyer is scheduled to speak at IHOP-KC’s Onething Conference in December. Marsha West examines this Mike Bickle/Joyce Meyer “team-up” and the implications thereof.

You can read the entire Marsha West article by linking HERE

Spurgeon on Alcoholics Anonymous

“Numbers of our good brethren remain in fellowship with those who are undermining the Gospel, and they talk of their conduct as if it were a loving course which the Lord will approve in the day of His appearing. We cannot understand them. The bounden duty of a true believer towards men who profess to reject the fundamentals of the Gospel, is to come out from among them. Complicity with error will take from the best of men the power to enter any successful protest against. When will Christians learn that separation from evil is not only our privilege, but our duty?”

Dr. C.H. Spurgeon

HT: Brian, http://megas-houtos-agape.blogspot.com/

Why do Christians ignore the Bible’s warning about Alcoholics Anonymous?

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. (Ephesians 5:11)

Question: “Why do Christians accept A.A., even though the Bible forbids this?”

Answer: “Given enough time and familiarity, even a wolf can seem like the family dog.”

And, of course, feel free to blame the errant scholarship of pro-A.A. author Dick B. I know I do. click here

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Warren B. Smith video from The Berean Call Conference

Warren B. Smith spoke at The Berean Call conference, and had a strong warning about Bill Johnson and Bethel Church of Redding, California. This was one of many things he spoke about, but it is important to note that Bethel seems to be heading into quantum mysticism, and quantum mysticism is something Smith has been alerting Christians about for years. Smith also spoke about Jesus Calling, The Message Bible, Rick Warren, the New Age, and much more.

You can see this right HERE

[Sorry, the video seems to have been removed]

Herescope reviews “The Physics of Heaven”

The fact that the New Age/Quantum Mysticism book, The Physics of Heaven, has the approval and participation of Bethel of Redding’s movers and shakers (Bill Johnson, Beni Johnson and others) should greatly concern the Body of Christ.

Bill and Beni Johnson and the book’s other contributors “all agree that the next move of God will cause a shift at the deepest level of who we are—perhaps the very ‘vibrational level’ that the New Age movement has been exploring. They also all agree that there are precious truths hidden in the New Age that belong to us as Christians and need to be extracted from the worthless.” [1] (Emphasis mine)

This is a problem.

Herescope has reviewed The Physics of Heaven. To read click
Book Review

Source Notes:
1. Ellyn Davis, The Physics of Heaven (Crossville, TN: Double Portion Publishing, Kindle Edition, 2013), Kindle location: 447

Deep thoughts on Alcoholics Anonymous

When people make up their own god
the higher power often comes out looking just like them.

When A.A. becomes a “god”

[Reader: Here is what happens to many, many Christians in Alcoholics Anonymous]:

It is a fearful thing, leaving AA. The Big Book (the AA “bible”) states, “We thought we could find an easier, softer way. But we could not.”[1] Because this passage of AA “scripture” is taken literally, alcoholics rarely look elsewhere for help. Christians continue to jam their God, the Ancient of Days, into AA’s chameleon theology.

“Do not participate in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead even expose them.” (Ephesians 5:11-12)

It is not just fear that keeps us bound to this all-gods religion. The 12 Step experience becomes an idol–long term involvement almost always results in a transference of faith. Bluntly stated, when it comes to sobriety, many Christians end up with more faith in the power of the 12 Step program than in Jesus Christ.

This idol worship is by no means limited to those in AA, but applies to many in “Christian 12 Step” groups.

This transference of faith is subtle, gradual, and frequently inevitable. The result is that sobriety without the 12 Step program will not even be considered. Biblical wisdom, given by concerned and caring believers, is rejected.

Endnotes:

1. Alcoholics Anonymous, Third Edition, pg.58

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