An atheist explains why Christians should not accept Alcoholics Anonymous

Some excerpts from Alcoholics Anonymous: The Perverting of Christianity, by Vincent Van Noir, who describes himself as an atheist:

“People in Alcoholics Anonymous routinely preach to newcomers and believe in what most churches would consider either heretical or just bad theology.”

“As an atheist I am in a unique position that affords me some clarity since I am unencumbered by spiritual thinking. For this reason I can point out the dangers of many organizations that are otherwise overlooked. This is very much that case of Alcoholics Anonymous and its perversion of the Christian religion.”

“[W]hen AA’s discuss God, most people think of the Judeo/Christian form of God and assume that AA’s are referring to this belief. However, in the context of AA’s warped spirituality these people could be referring to any number of things including ideas such as the spirit of the universe, aliens, or even Satan.”

“Bill Wilson, one of the founders of AA is stating that you can make Alcoholics Anonymous your God. God=Group of Drunks. I am pretty sure that any faithful Christian would have a problem with defining God in this manner. This is an affront to Christianity and many other religions since Alcoholics Anonymous is telling a newcomer that they can pray to a group of drunks and that they care turn their life and will over to the care of this group of drunks.”

“Yet this blurring and warping of Christian ideology continues to worsen as you delve deeper in to the Alcoholics Anonymous program. If it was not enough that AA allows for God to be recreated by the member, AA teaches that you can dismiss accepted religious values and concepts. Basically, if you don’t like the God that your parents taught you or that you learned in Sunday school you can just fire him and get a new God.”

You can read the full article by clicking HERE

Bethel’s Bill Johnson: “Jesus was so empty of Divine capacity…”

Bill Johnson is an effective purveyor of kenosis, the heretical teaching that Christ operated on earth solely as a man, with no “Divine capacity” whatsoever. Every miracle, every healing that Christ performed, according to Johnson, came about through the power of the Holy Spirit. Therefore, Johnson teaches, we can all perform healings and miracles, since we also have access to the Holy Spirit.

Thus Johnson’s kenosis doctrine serves to reduce the biblical Christ and elevate man. As Bob Dewaay points out:

“Jesus is no longer unique, but only a special enlightened one who could lead the way to many such enlightened ones in the future. Thus we have a New Age Christ.” [1]

Kenosis comes from a misunderstanding of Phillipians 2:7: …but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.

This speaks of the King of kings coming down and living among us, for our salvation; it has nothing to do with totally and completely giving up his Divine capacity while on earth. (Please check out the resources about kenosis at the end of this article.)

In the above video of Bethel’s Alabaster Prayer House, Bill Johnson states that “Jesus is the most normal Christian in the Bible.” (4:18) Really? Jesus is a Christian? So…Jesus is worshiping Himself?

In 2012, Bill Johnson and his wife, Beni Johnson, were contributors to a book (co-authored by his personal assistant) with disturbing New Age/quantum spirituality implications. READ

One factor, I believe, that has lured Bill Johnson away from biblical understanding is contemplative prayer, which is essentially Eastern/New Age meditation disguised with Christian terminology. It is fitting, then, that Bill Johnson makes these heretical statements during this short video about Bethel’s Alabaster House. According to the church website, “The Alabaster Prayer House and surrounding gardens are quiet and peaceful places to be in contemplative prayer and soaking.” [2]

2:42 in video: “Jesus was so empty of Divine capacity, eternally God but He chose to live with the restrictions as a man. Why? To set a model. To set something to follow, an example of His lifestyle. If He did all His miracles as God I’m still impressed but I’m not compelled to follow. … But when I find out He set aside His Divinity to display…”*

3:58 in video: “So what does [Jesus] do? He models for us the normal Christian life.”

4:18 in video: “Jesus is the most normal Christian in the Bible.”

How did Bethel’s contemplative Alabaster Prayer House come about? Apparently Bill Johnson received a vision during a time when James Goll was teaching:

5:53 in video: “When I say the Lord gave it to me in a vision I was sitting right here. Jim Goll was teaching two years ago at a prophetic conference and as he was teaching I just saw this prayer chapel with a wall of windows facing North, South, East and West, and in the center of the room was a globe with a fountain, this continual flowing fountain.”

A few final words about Johnson’s kenosis teaching before the links about kenosis, where you can investigate for yourself. We see that Christ limited Himself here:

But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. (Matthew 24:36)

But Christ’s self-imposed limits are not at all the same thing as giving up all Divine capacity. Bill Johnson needs Christ reduced, for all intents and purposes, to simply a man, for this is what fuels his bells and whistles theology–a theology that far exceeds traditional Pentecostal teaching, and now threatens to engulf it.

Kenosis, Christology, and Bill Johnson Part One

What is Kenosis

Kenosis, Christology, and Bill Johnson Part Two

Endnotes:

1. Bob Dewaay, “An Invasion of Error” (Critical Issues Commentary, Issue 124 Jan.-Feb. 2013, http://www.cicministry.org/commentary/issue124.htm).

2. http://bethelredding.com/ministries/prayer-house.

*I can’t understand the next few words

Choosing the path of Ezra’s God instead of 12 Steps

Now when the enemies of Judah and Benjamin heard that the people of the exile were building a temple to the LORD God of Israel, (Ezra 4:1)

they approached Zerubbabel and the heads of fathers’ households, and said to them, “Let us build with you, for we, like you, seek your God; and we have been sacrificing to Him since the days of Esarhaddon king of Assyria, who brought us up here.” (Ezra 4:2)

But Zerubbabel and Jeshua and the rest of the heads of fathers’ households of Israel said to them, “You have nothing in common with us in building a house to our God; but we ourselves will together build to the LORD our God of Israel, as King Cyrus, the king of Persia has commanded us.” (Ezra 4:3)

When the Body of Christ was offered the “good news” (?) of Alcoholics Anonymous and the 12 Steps, strange fire entered the church. Many were deceived.

Those who looked first to the Scriptures realized Alcoholics Anonymous was not of God. These saints had gone the way of Ezra:

For Ezra had set his heart to study the law of the LORD and to practice it and to teach His statutes and ordinances in Israel. (Ezra 7:10)

There arose promoters of a false “Chrisian” origin of A.A. and the 12 Steps, and the deception increased. Again, this came about because many did not go the way of Ezra, but chose to rely on information and claims other than the Word of God.

Now, much like the sin of the people of Israel, we have a mixed spirituality, a thing offensive to God and yet practiced by many professing believers.

“The AA religion is Christless and offers a counterfeit salvation without the sacrificial death of Jesus Christ. Seeking a Christless salvation through turning one’s life over to a ‘God as we understood Him’ has nothing to do with Christianity and everything to do with idolatry, false religions, and paganism. And because of the many versions of God represented in AA, professing Christians are uniting themselves with a spiritual harlot when they join AA.” (From 12 Steps To Destruction by Martin and Deidre Bobgan, pp.131-132)

A.A. is a program constructed on falsehood, and cemented with lies, and the truth is there are many of us who are free and sober without participating in the A.A. religion.

So many Christians have suffered a transference of faith–A.A. has become an idol.

Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God. (Hebrews 3:12)

How do we rid our churches and our hearts of this thing?

[Christ] gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds. (Titus 2:14)

God can only be found “deep down within us” ?

So, how many people have been taught this heretical god-is-within theology, which can be found in the Alcoholics Anonymous Big Book:
“Sometimes we had to search fearlessly, but He was there. He was as much a fact as we were. We found the Great Reality deep down within us. In the last analysis, it is only there that He may be found. It was so with us.” (pg. 55, bold mine)

On the other hand, here is something that will never be found in the A.A. Big Book:
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through me.” (John 14:6)

So, which is it? Can “god” only be found deep within ourselves? Or is Christ the only way to the Father?
Rhetorical questions, obviously.

But here is one I would really like answered: How can Christians participate in A.A. when its teachings deny Christ?

Shouldn’t it matter?

A.A. teaches that alcoholism is a “spiritual disease.” But…Maybe A.A. itself is the spiritual disease (click to investigate)

Crushing Christians with bakery cake

Let’s make them bend, let’s make them break
Let’s crush those Christians with bakery cake…

State files charges against Gresham bakery owners

The Death of Freedom (Belfast cake homo-fascism)

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Pope offers different versions of salvation?

On June 23rd, Kenneth Copeland, James Robison, John Arnott [Toronto Blessing] and their wives met with the Pope. On June 30th, Copeland declared to his followers at the Southwest Believers Convention, “The protest is over,” meaning Protestants no longer have differences with Catholics in understanding how people gain eternal salvation.

In a video message played at the convention the Pope said, “And this is a miracle; the miracle of unity has begun.”

Yet, June 25th, two days after the Pope met with Copeland and the others, the Pope declared a very Catholic understanding of salvation.

According to Catholic News Service, “Pope Francis described as ‘dangerous’ the temptation to believe that one can have ‘a personal, direct, immediate relationship with Jesus Christ without communion with and the mediation of the church.'” [1]

Communion? Mediation of the church? It appears the charismatic leaders are being played like a well tuned fiddle.

The Bible is clear: For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus… (1 Timothy 2:5)

As noted by gotquestions.org, “The official position of the Roman Catholic Church is that a person must believe in Jesus Christ AND be baptized AND receive the Eucharist along with the other sacraments AND obey the decrees of the Roman Catholic Church AND perform meritorious works AND not die with any mortal sins AND etc., etc., etc.” [2]

Bottom line: The Council of Trent’s ruling of hundreds of years ago has never been overturned by the Catholic Church. That historic ruling makes clear the division in belief. [3]

Here is the link to Copeland’s website, where you can watch “The Story Behind Brother Copeland’s Papal Visit.” Here (Copeland states “The Protest is over” at approximately 21:26
in the video).

1. http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1402635.htm
2. http://www.gotquestions.org/catholicism.html
3. http://carm.org/council-trent-canons-justification

Bonus:
Protestants who don’t unite with Catholics are spiritual racists

“Monkey see, monkey do” might be in The Message “bible”

I was listening to a speaker encouraging us to read the Word and to pray. The speaker noted (if I remember this correctly) that we were to obey His Word, rather than simply imitate one another.

The speaker said, “Monkey see, monkey do, is not in the Bible.” And then, without missing a beat, “Well, it might be in The Message.”

Duly noted. The Message is that bad. While the monkey quote is not really there, check this out:

Here is The Message Psalm 1:1: How well God must like you–you don’t hang out at Sin Saloon, you don’t slink along Dead-End Road, you don’t go to Smart-Mouth College.

Sin Saloon? Dead-End Road? Smart-Mouth College?

Here is NASB Psalm 1:1: How blessed is the man who does not walk in the way of the counsel of the wicked, Nor stand in the path of sinners, Nor sit in the seat of scoffers. (Psalm 1:1)

The Message has done much damage over several decades. People use this as their primary “translation,” and it has had its effect.

A.A. co-founder Dr. Bob’s adventures in spiritualism

Alcohol addiction is often referred to as a “spiritual disease,” yet Alcoholics Anonymous itself is really the spiritual disease. The Body of Christ is infected, and weakened.

A.A.’s beginnings were unholy and unhealthy.

According to PASS IT ON, A.A. cofounder Bill Wilson considered that “spiritistic matters were no mere parlor game. It’s not clear when he first became interested in extrasensory phenomena; the field was something that Dr. Bob and Anne Smith were also deeply involved with. Whether or not Bill initially became interested through them, there are references to séances and other psychic events in the letters Bill wrote to [wife] Lois during that first Akron summer with the Smiths, in 1935.”[1] (bold mine)

Bill Wilson and Dr. Bob engaged in these practices starting in 1935. The 12 Steps were written in 1938. PASS IT ON actually raises the possibility that Wilson may have been introduced to these activities through Dr. Bob and his wife, Anne. Perhaps so, but it is clear all three were participating in séances (and other activities) during the same period they were involved with the pseudo-Christian Oxford Group.

Writer Matthew J. Raphael, a member of Alcoholics Anonymous himself, observes, “it might be said for the cofounders at least, A.A. was entangled with spiritualism from the very beginning.” [2]

“Do not seek out mediums and spiritists; do not seek out and be defiled by them. I am the Lord your God.” (Leviticus 19:31)

Endnotes:
1. PASS IT ON, Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, Inc., pg. 275
2. Matthew J. Raphael, Bill W. and Mr. Wilson, pg. 159

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Further adventures with the “dead” by A.A.’s co-founder

An interesting account of A.A. co-founder Bill Wilson’s interaction with the “dead,” which is excerpted from Unearthing The Dead: The Search For Nantucket’s Forgotten Heroes

“There shall not be found among you…a medium or a spiritist or one who calls up the dead. For whoever does these things is detestable to the Lord.” (Deuteronomy 18:10, 11, 12)
According to the author:

Bill Wilson, who founded Alcoholics Anonymous with his friend Bob Smith, was an ardent practitioner of spiritualism. The AA biography of Wilson states that, “it is not clear when he first became interested in extrasensory phenomena; the field was something that Dr. Bob and Anne Smith were also deeply involved with.” The Wilsons held regular séances in their home and engaged in other psychic activities as well; for instance, Wilson would lie on their couch and “receive” messages (much like fellow spiritualist Edgar Cayce), while someone else transcribed what he said.

Apparently Wilson took his show on the road as well. As he tells the story in his book Pass It On, Wilson came to Nantucket to visit some friends; during his first morning here he was visited by three ghosts, who, among other things, told him their names. Wilson announced at breakfast that he had had a psychic experience, and had spoken with the spirits of some long-dead Nantucket citizens.

Later that morning Wilson and friends ventured into town and stopped at the Civil War Monument, where Wilson noted the name of one of his ghostly visitors — David Morrow. Upon visiting the “Maritime Museum” (Whaling Museum?) they came across a large open book located just inside the door — lo and behold, there were the other names that Wilson had mentioned.

Elsewhere in the museum they happened upon a life-size portrait of Admiral Farragut, under which was a plaque describing the role that Nantucket sailors had played in the Battle of Mobile Bay. Wilson claimed that David Morrow had described the events to him personally.

Source: http://tuckernuckjim.tripod.com/hidden/id16.html

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“I am truly glad no one is listening to your nonsense”

“I am truly glad no one is listening to your nonsense. I have a great idea, why don’t you start a group to help alcoholics and then write a book based upon your Fundamentalist principles and help as many people as you can, instead of sitting behind a computer just criticizing something that has literally “SAVED” millions.” –comment from an A.A. member (bold mine)

Response: When people are infected, they must first be informed of the infection. The next step is the antidote. The Body of Christ has been infected with the 12 Step religion, and it has greatly weakened us. So I have written:

The “Spiritual” Truth Behind Alcoholics Anonymous–And Why Christians Should Think Twice About Joining A.A. click here

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