Alcoholics Anonymous and Jehovah’s Witnesses

For  the  Church  to  refer  people  to  AA  because  “AA has the most effective program” is not much different 
than  sending  the  evangelism  committee  to  the Jehovah’s Witnesses because they have the most effective door-to-door evangelism program. –Reverend Pyle

The Truth Shall Make You Free by Reverend Pyle: READ

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Protestants who don’t unite with Catholics are guilty of “Spiritual Racism”

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. (2 Peter 2:1)

What are the strands that will be woven together to form the false church?

Tony Palmer states he receives financial support from Kenneth Copeland and claims he has been “consecrated” by Pope Francis to be a bridge for further unity among Protestants and Catholics. You may have seen the message from the Pope that Tony Palmer played at Kenneth Copeland’s convention. It is included in the above video.

According to Palmer, “…the protest of Luther is over. And therefore now we are all living in a post-Protestant era…” (8:00 in video)

The Protestants who disagree are suffering from “spiritual racism.” (8:40)

But…is unity with the Catholic Church even possible?

Palmer says, “It’s the glory that glues us together, not the doctrines. If you accept that Christ is living in me and the presence of God is in me and the presence of God is in you that’s all we need. Because God will sort out all the doctrines when we get upstairs.” (13:48)

Really? The Lord will sort out all the doctrines in heaven? Christ is very concerned with doctrine (teaching) and deception cannot take place without departure from His doctrine.

Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee. (1 Timothy 4:16)

Palmer, from the Anglican tradition, has served three popes. He uses a 1999 document between Catholics and Lutherans (?) as indication that the Catholic Church now lines up with Protestant (biblical) understanding of justification.

Yet, the Council of Trent’s ruling of hundreds of years ago has never been overturned by the Catholic Church. That historic ruling makes clear the division in belief. http://carm.org/council-trent-canons-justification

What about the Pope’s “infallibility”? http://www.reachingcatholics.org/eternal.html

And what about praying to Mary and the saints?
I am the Lord, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another, Nor My praise to graven images. (Isaiah 42:8)

What about seeking forgiveness of sins through a priest?
For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus… (1 Timothy 5:6)

And what about the Eucharist? http://www.gotquestions.org/Holy-Eucharist.html

What about purgatory? Where in the Bible is there a temporary version of afterlife suffering? http://home.earthlink.net/~ronrhodes/Purgatory.html

Pope Francis is clearly a kind man, and a humble man. But that is not the issue. I am grateful for the stand Catholics take on abortion. I am very grateful for my Catholic education and my Catholic friends. But that is not the issue.

Catholicism is not biblical Christianity.

Mike Bickle of International House of Prayer tried to bring the Catholics into his One Thing conference several years ago. Fortunately, this did not happen. Link

There will be other efforts, as we can see by this Kenneth Copeland supported gentleman, Tony Palmer. Are we watching the beginnings of the charismatic movement (Copeland, Bickle etc.) aligning with Catholicism?

Pay particular attention to the last six minutes of this video.

And do not be deceived.

Author who knew A.A. co-founder believes early A.A. people not “John 3:16 Christians”

Alcoholics Anonymous is in opposition to the Bible. A.A.’s own history has been incorrectly interpreted by those who–undoubtedly with the best of intentions–wish keep Christians involved in the twelve step religion.

Interestingly, in one of his own books, Dick B. (an advocate for A.A.’s non-existent “Christian/biblical” roots) records how author Mel B. tried to correct him about Christian influence in early A.A.

Dick B. writes, “[New Thought heretic Emmet] Fox appeared to teach that the death and resurrection and ascending of Jesus to the right hand of God was not merely the accomplishment for those who believed, but for anyone and everyone, if at all. Reflecting this contention, New Thought advocate Mel B. recently said to me he didn’t think early A.A. people were John 3:16 Christians.” [1]

Dick B. writes, “Frankly I dont know of any other kind, and there is nothing in the early A.A. surrenders to Christ that suggest otherwise.” [2]

Mel B. goes far enough back in A.A. that he actually met Bill Wilson. Mel B., whose book, New Wine, documents many of the spiritual influences that formed and shaped A.A., was simply trying to set the record straight. The spiritual base of early A.A. was influenced in part by New Thought, but also by liberal Christianity–and so Christ’s message of Salvation had little primary meaning in A.A.’s origin and development.

Endnotes:

1. Dick B., Henrietta B. Seiberling: Ohio’s Lady With A Cause, pg. 17-18

2. Ibid.

The Protestant Liberal Influence:

Those who have heard early A.A.’s “roots” were biblically pure might want to investigate Emmet Fox and A.A.’s use of his heretical book, The Sermon on the Mount. This text was actually used as a teaching manual in AA until AA’s own instructional Big Book was completed. Read

The liberal Christian influence has to be acknowledged as well. These were not people who believed the Bible as the literal Word of God. As AA historian Glen C. notes, “But if we are carrying out a historical investigation into how A.A. first began…the center of gravity within early A.A. lay with the classical Protestant liberals instead of the fundamentalists. And A.A. still to this day contains many elements of belief and practice that came from the liberals, not the fundamentalists.”[1]

We will hopefully be expanding upon this soon, as it is yet another anti-Biblical root of Alcoholics Anonymous. These were well meaning people, as those more concerned with social gospel than Salvation always are.

“The fundamental idea that one did not have to be a Christian in order to be a good and spiritual person was a classical Protestant liberal belief that had a deeply formative effect on early A.A.,” states Glen C.[2]

This is not to say that there were absolutely no fundamentalist Christians in early Alcoholics Anonymous. After all, we can even find some in present day A.A., can we not?

But as Glen C. states, using AA co-founder Dr. Bob Smith’s wife, Anne Smith, as an example, the “Christian” influence was of a liberal bent:

“But the center of the bell-shaped curve, so to speak, lay with those with classical Protestant liberal sympathies. Dr. Bob’s wife Anne Ripley Smith, a graduate of Wellesley College in Massachusetts, one of the elite east coast women’s colleges, fits the profile of a deeply pious classical Protestant liberal in everything we know about her. So some A.A.’s were more conservative, and were more radical, but the ‘center of gravity’ lay with the classical Protestant liberals during AA’s earliest years, and studying Fundamentalist theology and belief does not help us much in understanding the way A.A. began.”[3]

Indeed. Studying the Word of God, in fact, shows A.A. is not from Jesus Christ, nor are the Twelve Steps, despite the ”Christian root” fallacies promulgated by pro-AA author Dick B. and others. –For rest of article, click Here…

Endnotes:

1. Classical Protestant Liberalism and Early A.A., by Glen C.

2. Ibid.

3. Ibid.

Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (NASB) Matt. 5:10

Published in: on April 7, 2014 at 6:39 pm  Leave a Comment  
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Mixing ingredients for baked heresy pie

Scripture is clear.

We were never meant to be part of an all-gods religion. It is not “legalism” to point out that the Lord will absolutely not be seen as one higher power among many. (Isaiah 42:8, Galatians 1:6-9, 2 Corinthians 6:14-17)

AA’s murky history can seem very confusing. Prolific pro-AA author Dick B. continues to present AA’s origin as Biblically rooted. But Alcoholics Anonymous is like a pie. One can claim it is made with lemon meringue ingredients, but if tar, rat poison, and glass shards are also in the mix, was it ever really a lemon meringue pie? A little leaven… (1 Corinthians 5:6) continue with recipe

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16 minute expose of Noah movie

Pastor Joe Schimmel’s 16 minute video expose of the Noah movie.

As Eric Barger noted, “Joe Schimmel has done a stellar job of encapsulating nearly every problem created by Paramount’s $160 million dollar film. The movie, released yesterday (3/28), paints Noah as a blood thirsty, murderous sort who would have killed the entire population of the planet himself if need be (including his own granddaughters!) instead of a “preacher of righteousness” (II Peter 2:5) who set about to warn anyone who he could of the impending destruction that was soon to come upon the earth.” (bold mine)

More from Eric Barger about the Noah movie: http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?ca=cce15ff8-beec-4692-9915-19f312b4fb74&c=bc3f3a60-4cec-11e3-a529-d4ae5292c2ac&ch=bd1723d0-4cec-11e3-a57e-d4ae5292c2ac

How Assemblies of God responded to World Vision’s gay marriage blasphemy

With great, crocodile tears, World Vision has reversed its decision about hiring married same-sex couples.

This reversal was not because of repentance, but because of economics. This was because George Wood of Assemblies of God and others reacted swiftly and firmly.

According to Melissa Barnhart of the Christian Post:

Assemblies of God issued a statement encouraging its churches and individual members to “gradually shift support away from the U.S. branch of World Vision to Assemblies of God World Missions, and other Pentecostal and evangelical charities that maintain biblical standards of sexual morality.”

Denouncing World Vision’s decision to allow people who are in a legal same-sex marriages to be employed at the nonprofit organization, Wood, general superintendent of the Assemblies of God, said that World Vision’s policy change “cannot be construed as anything but an endorsement of same-sex marriage.”

“Far from promoting Christian unity, the policy change enlists World Vision on the liberal Protestant side of the same-sex marriage debate as opposed to that of Pentecostal and Evangelical churches in the U.S., not to mention Pentecostal and Evangelical churches worldwide,” said Wood, who represents a fellowship of more than 3 million members.

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C.S. Lewis warned against A.A. co-founder’s spiritualism

Many have difficulty recognizing Alcoholics Anonymous’ 12 Step spirituality as anti-Biblical, much less as a rudimentary cog in this rising apostasy. Why? Sadly, with time and familiarity, even a wolf can masquerade as the family dog.

The 12 Steps are an integral part of our culture. For years Christians have participated in A.A. and “Christ-centered” 12 Step groups. This participation is increasing, as pastors ignore Scripture and allow A.A. meetings to be conducted in the very House of God.

These pastors hope that A.A. will serve as a tool for evangelism—and so it does. Unfortunately, it is the Christians who are being “evangelized” as they are exposed to A.A.’s inherent universalism. Christians both in A.A. and in groups such as ‘Celebrate Recovery’ are greatly influenced by 12 Step theology.

A.A.’s Christian promoters and defenders are fierce and active. They are convinced—and have convinced others—that A.A. and the 12 Steps are Biblical in origin. Yet nothing could be further from the truth.

Continue reading article: http://www.raptureready.com/soap/lanagan3.html

Published in: on March 26, 2014 at 5:19 am  Leave a Comment  
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Gay youth pastor’s wife and that Missive “bible”

So, my wife and I have repented of homosexuality. There will probably come a time when that alone is legal cause for a jail term. World Vision’s decision to allow married gay Christians (huh?) to work there is a slap in the face of God. But it is only the beginning. I wrote the following fiction story some time ago, fearing much of it would come true.

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The Missive “Bible” and the gay youth pastor’s wife

The pastor of the mega-church sat behind his polished mahogany desk, wincing as the fierce pounding assaulted his temples. The youth pastor would be here any minute now. With growing anxiety, Pastor Billy Rapp opened the new, state sanctioned Bible, and turned to several passages about homosexuality. Only, there was nothing there about homosexuality.

Nothing.

As some had ominously predicted, The Missive paraphrase had become the only Bible allowed in the remaining, state approved churches. Written by Hugo Peukermann, a likable biology teacher from Canada, the paraphrase had been used by the emergents and those opposed to Sola Scriptura for years. Now, however, even more had been gutted from it, and Pastor Rapp stared at its sterile, lifeless pages.

He closed the tepid “Bible” with a sigh. At least the church had been allowed to stay open. And, well, at least the homosexual couples would be here now. In a way this could actually be seen as helpful. They could reach them more easily with the gospel. Of course, the gospel wasn’t allowed to be preached, so this would present some challenges.

The President-for-life had moved quickly upon the hate crimes bill. It had turned within weeks into a law prohibiting hate speech. Homosexuality could not be called sin. Or even wrong. This was an offense punishable by fine and/or imprisonment. Pastors like Billy Rapp had watched in amazement as a number of Christians had been dragged off into the prison system.

A great many churches had been closed.

But not Billy’s. He wasn’t going to lose his church, no sir, not all he’d worked so hard for. Of course, it would take some adjusting. The youth pastor would have full state authority behind him.

Pastor Rapp jumped as he heard the knock on his door. “Come in,” he called. The door opened and a smiling couple came in. “Hi, Pastor Billy, I’m Jed Knight, your new youth pastor. I’m really looking forward to working with you. This is my wife.”

Trying not to tremble, Pastor Billy reached out and shook hands with both men. “I’m Pastor Bill,” he said, and he could hear his voice quavering.

“Malcolm McDell Knight. Just call me Mal,” the tall, thin man rumbled. Mal turned and smiled at Jed. “I’m going to go see what needs improving in the childrens’ ministry. Bye,” he waved.

Pastor Rapp frowned when he heard that. “Improving childrens’ ministry? What is that, exactly?”

Jed Knight sat down in one of the Pastor’s soft, overstuffed chairs. “Well, some educational things,” he said vaguely. “I’m really looking forward to working with you, Bill.” Jed was a short friendly man with an easy smile.

“Wait. Wait a minute. Your…uh, your partner–”

“Wife,” Jed Knight corrected.

“…he’s planning on working in the childrens’ ministry?”

“Bill, Bill,”Jed said slowly, and with great compassion, “there are many changes that must be made. Discrimination and hate need to end. Of course we need to reach the children.”

Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness;
Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! (Isaiah 5:20)
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The Message “Bible” is not the Word of God

1. The Message “bible” inserts earth reverence, God of “green” hope: READ

2. The Message deletes homosexuality as sin in 1 Timothy: READ

3. The Message “bible”–Sin Saloon, Smart Mouth College:  READ

The Noah Movie Deception and the Last Days by Pastor Joe Schimmel

“Did you know that Noah was a drunken, axe-wielding murderer?” –Pastor Joe Schimmel’s review of the Noah movie

[In the previous post My Word Like Fire noted that Gotquestions.org was promoting the Noah movie, which is unfortunate. Here is Pastor Joe Schimmel with his review of this cinematic mockery. You can link to the rest of his article at the end of the paragraph.]

Joe Schimmel writes, “Did you know, according to Hollywood, that the main reason God destroyed the ancient world with a flood was because of a lack of environmental activism and overpopulation? Did you know that Noah was a liberal eco-terrorist and the world’s “first environmentalist”? Did you know that Noah was really a callous, dark person? Did you know that Noah was a drunken, axe-wielding murderer? Did you know that Noah threatened to kill his eldest son’s wife and her unborn daughter, because he didn’t want the earth to be repopulated?”   click here for rest of article 

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